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Non-EU Swiss Graduate for Work Permit in another Canton

Hi all,

Long time reader and first time poster so here goes.

I'm a non-EU citizen and have graduated from a master's at EPFL (Vaud) in mid-July with a B permit expiring on 31/10/20. My potential employer in Zurich has applied for a permit for me (2 weeks ago). I have not yet applied for a 6 month extension to 'look for a job' and the employer used my current B permit as ID.

Question: Given that I am a Swiss graduate, I believe the permit application in Zurich for employment should be assessed under the 'academic or economic value' rule, as opposed to the 'prioritise Swiss/EU' rule. However, technically I am not currently on the L job-seeker permit. Is it simply a 'recent Swiss graduate' status that allows me to be assessed under 'academic or economic value', or do I need to apply 'from' the job seeker permit?

Reason for concern: I don't think the job is that niche in the grand scheme of things however it has high academic and economic value.

Related: They have put my start date as 01/10/20 - do you think this is realistic given the circumstances? E.g.
- Non-EU B permit (slower)
- Corona backlog (slower)
- Change of canton (slower)
- Already in Switzerland so no visa is needed (faster)
- Perhaps not many permits are being assessed since the job market is pretty bad (faster)


Thanks!
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Old 02.09.2020, 18:01
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Re: Non-EU Swiss Graduate for Work Permit in another Canton

Welcome to the Forum. Have a bump since you posted this late last night.

I don't know all the answers, but 1st October sounds a bit optimistic for a start date.
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Re: Non-EU Swiss Graduate for Work Permit in another Canton

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Hi all,

Long time reader and first time poster so here goes.

I'm a non-EU citizen and have graduated from a master's at EPFL (Vaud) in mid-July with a B permit expiring on 31/10/20. My potential employer in Zurich has applied for a permit for me (2 weeks ago). I have not yet applied for a 6 month extension to 'look for a job' and the employer used my current B permit as ID.

Question: Given that I am a Swiss graduate, I believe the permit application in Zurich for employment should be assessed under the 'academic or economic value' rule, as opposed to the 'prioritise Swiss/EU' rule. However, technically I am not currently on the L job-seeker permit. Is it simply a 'recent Swiss graduate' status that allows me to be assessed under 'academic or economic value', or do I need to apply 'from' the job seeker permit?

Reason for concern: I don't think the job is that niche in the grand scheme of things however it has high academic and economic value.

Related: They have put my start date as 01/10/20 - do you think this is realistic given the circumstances? E.g.
- Non-EU B permit (slower)
- Corona backlog (slower)
- Change of canton (slower)
- Already in Switzerland so no visa is needed (faster)
- Perhaps not many permits are being assessed since the job market is pretty bad (faster)


Thanks!
I speak from experience, that transition Non-EU academic to job can be a lot more complicated than you might think it is. Have you spoken with the Zürich Fremdenpolizei? I know one hurdle is that EPFL may have to confirm to the authorities that you have graduated/are a student at the Uni but at the same time wont do that until you explicitly tell them to.

I suggest that you should talk to the Züri Fremdenpolizei and figure out exactly what they need, and if your permit is being held up somewhere. I agree that the start date is optimistic, but good luck.

One more stupid point .... you're student permit is tied to your matriculation. If you have finished, technically you should be on your new L job seeking permit, which allows you to look for jobs. Your student permit doesn't allow that. It's stupid, but that was the official details I was given and my friends have experienced.
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Re: Non-EU Swiss Graduate for Work Permit in another Canton

Thanks for the bump.

I haven't spoken to the authorities in Zurich but the employer (higher education institution) already asked me for all of the confirmations from EPFL which I have duly provided. The employer also asked me to write a letter of motivation to change cantons and that was part of the package sent to migrationsamt.

I had mentioned the L permit to the employer but they didn't seem to mind that I was using the B to apply as a resident.

The employer seems to know "what's up" so I think I'm in good hands, it's just that I'm getting a little nervous about the probability of getting a permit.
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Re: Non-EU Swiss Graduate for Work Permit in another Canton

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I'm a non-EU citizen and have graduated from a master's at EPFL (Vaud) in mid-July with a B permit expiring on 31/10/20.
Are you enrolled at EPFL for the semester Sep-Dec 2020? If you already got a letter from EPFL telling you completed all you need to get the degree and the only thing you're missing is the diploma.....technically you're not a student anymore. Since the new employer is already asking for a permit this may be irrelevant but careful when discussing this issue with authorities.

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My potential employer in Zurich has applied for a permit for me (2 weeks ago).
This is all that matters. You don't apply for the permit, that's the responsibility of the employer. Once the employer got the cantonal approval for a generic position offered non-EU with high economic value, you apply with your personal documents that should match the story told by the employer. For short, the employer gets approval from canton to hire someone with a specific profile, and then you should prove to canton you fit that profile.

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Related: They have put my start date as 01/10/20 - do you think this is realistic given the circumstances?
You won't have the plastic card permit for that date, but as long as your employer gets the cantonal approval you can get hired and apply for your permit at your new residence. When I got hired after the university the approval for the employer took ~2 weeks.
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Hello and welcome,
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Are you enrolled at EPFL for the semester Sep-Dec 2020? If you already got a letter from EPFL telling you completed all you need to get the degree and the only thing you're missing is the diploma.....technically you're not a student anymore. Since the new employer is already asking for a permit this may be irrelevant but careful when discussing this issue with authorities.
No, I'm fully done with EPFL and I've got the temporary 'confirmation of degree letter' which stands in for the diploma before the ceremony in October. The employer did all the heavy lifting - in fact they said to wait until the completion letter because they knew the authorities would ask for it.

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You won't have the plastic card permit for that date, but as long as your employer gets the cantonal approval you can get hired and apply for your permit at your new residence.
Yeah I guess I'm waiting for the 'authority to issue permit' or the equivalent piece of A4 sheet that I originally got for the student visa. Then I'll move and then go to the commune.

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When I got hired after the university the approval for the employer took ~2 weeks.
Really?! What were your circumstances? Feel free to privately message me too That's super quick!!
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