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Facilitated naturalization / language

My husband has applied in July. Beforehand, we checked all requirements and were told that any Swiss language is OK. Can anyone confirm this? My husband speaks fluently French and also works in the French part but we live in the German-speaking part of Switzerland. His German is not good at all.
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Re: Facilitated naturalization / language

Hi Samira,

I am currently in the same situation as your Husband I speak Italian and have made the appropriate FIDE test required but I am living in Zurich.

How did it go with the interview did he need a translator?
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Re: Facilitated naturalization / language

From my understanding despite the legal ability to apply in any language, it is your commune that decides your integration. There are stories in the past of people being rejected for not having enough swiss friends in that specific commune, as opposed to being in clubs in the next commune over. My guess is if he can't speak the language in the commune he is not well integrated and will probably fail the interview.
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From my understanding despite the legal ability to apply in any language, it is your commune that decides your integration. There are stories in the past of people being rejected for not having enough swiss friends in that specific commune, as opposed to being in clubs in the next commune over. My guess is if he can't speak the language in the commune he is not well integrated and will probably fail the interview.
Surely not for facilitated naturalisation? I wasn't in any clubs
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he won't fail. Why would he fail? Facilitated is not decided in any way at Commune level, right?
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he won't fail. Why would he fail? Facilitated is not decided in any way at Commune level, right?
Fair enough. Still a bit strange not to speak the language where you live and to become a citizen.
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Fair enough. Still a bit strange not to speak the language where you live and to become a citizen.
Not really. An Italian speaking Swiss person can go and live in the German speaking part without speaking German.... no different.
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Not really. An Italian speaking Swiss person can go and live in the German speaking part without speaking German.... no different.
I would argue it's different. A swiss Italian will have some "swiss" culture which is similar to the swiss German culture, so cultural integration is less of an issue.

You could take a North African who is fluent in French because they are from a french speaking country, but has 0 swiss cultural knowledge. If they have only ever lived in swiss German Switzerland and haven't learned any swiss German, their knowledge of french is not representative of any integration into Switzerland.
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Fair enough. Still a bit strange not to speak the language where you live and to become a citizen.
which language again?
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I would argue it's different. A swiss Italian will have some "swiss" culture which is similar to the swiss German culture, so cultural integration is less of an issue.

You could take a North African who is fluent in French because they are from a french speaking country, but has 0 swiss cultural knowledge. If they have only ever lived in swiss German Switzerland and haven't learned any swiss German, their knowledge of french is not representative of any integration into Switzerland.
If you are North African then they will come looking for signs of a fake marriage. They do not care about integration for facilitated and the Bund decides on very basic criteria; end of. From the stories I've heard, the police turn up unannounced for facilitated checks and will attempt to discover the family in a "normal" situation. They will even look in wardrobes to see that M&F clothing is stored in there, normally.

That accounts from a Nigerian I worked with (married Swiss-Italian woman, lived in SO, he spoke no German) to a 30+year friend who is well integrated and a partner at one of the "Big Four" (white, female) who got the cops visiting her and her Swiss husband at chaos time when they were feeding themselves and their child.

This process is completely different to the non-facilitated process.
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Fair enough. Still a bit strange not to speak the language where you live and to become a citizen.
I did, and the language of the commune that I am a citizen of is NOT the same as where I live either, i.e. I am a citizen of SG, where I've never even lived, 15 km from my wife's place of origin, that she's never lived nor even been to, and also doesn't speak the language.

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Not really. An Italian speaking Swiss person can go and live in the German speaking part without speaking German.... no different.
We did it the other way.

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I would argue it's different. A swiss Italian will have some "swiss" culture which is similar to the swiss German culture.
Ummm, generally NOT.

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which language again?
The language where you live... very specifically I guess of your commune of residence. For a C permit you have to speak the language of your commune, makes sense for citizenship too, but as I'm finding out facilitated is different.
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