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As a non-Swiss national it is illegal to work in Switzerland (i.e. be an employee of a legal entity based in Switzerland) without a valid permit (be it an L, B or C if living in Switzerland or a G permit if living abroad).

The condition of obtaining a cross-border commuter G permit is to return to your domicile (UK in this case) at least once a week (daily for bordering countries).

There is no tax or health insurance treaty for cross-border commuters from the UK like there is for those based in Germany/France/Italy/Austria so you would be taxed at source by your employer (in Switzerland) and would have to pay for Swiss KVG (likely on top of any UK tax given you would be resident there as well). Double tax treaty would mean you would need to top up the difference in tax payable to HMRC.

Once the UK leaves the EU the option explained above will not even be possible. To be a Swiss cross-border commuter as a non-EU you would have to have permanent residency in a Swiss bordering country and have lived in a non-Swiss bordering town for at least 6 months to be granted a non-EU G permit.
Many thanks, very useful information.. Seems my only option is to transfer my contract to be with the UK legal entity of my work place.

To be honest that would be much cleaner instead of having a leg in each country.
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I wonder if anyone can let me know the consequences if I work from home in London instead of Zurich, at the moment everyone in my office works from home, many are moving away to live nearer their families outside of Zurich in other Cantons, so am wondering if I can do the same, I worked for a few months now in my Zuirch tiny apartment, its depressing, while I have a lot of family/friends and larger space / garden in London.

Anyone knows the implications if I did this while still on a Swiss contract? I tried to call the Gemeinde but they seem not to answer the phones.
From tax point of view, I understand I would need to make up for the taxes here in the UK ( so whatever I pay in Switzerland, then pay in the UK the extra that is required) from a permit point of view, would I lose my B permit?
Can one have an address and keep the permit while out of the country?
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As above I said I want to do this cleanly, no address, no apartment, no residency required if I work from UK
It might have helped if you had been clear from the beginning that you intended to leave Switzerland in every sense from the beginning.
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Re: WFH in London

Not necessarily the OP's case but if you go to work in the UK, after a while depending on how much you work there, the UK will want to tax the days you work there directly and fully meaning you'd have to not pay tax to the Swiss for those days. There would be no "topping up" - the UK would have first dibs. Where you work is where you pay tax, save for 'temporary' or 'special' circumstances.


Similarly if you work as a contractor for a German company in Germany through a UK 'one-man' company, you should be paying income tax and very likely corporation tax in Germany and not the UK.
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Hi all

I am new here - I've done a search but can't quite find the answer to my issue, so hopefully someone can point me in the right direction.

I'm in discussions regarding a job for a multinational, based in Switzerland. I've not yet been offered the role, but it's looking promising.

Anyway, my family is not yet mobile, so my plan would be to "commute" to Switzerland on Monday and fly home to London on Thursday.

We are basically from India, but living in UK since last more than an year. I have a job in UK now and a visa. My wife is currently my dependent. I have two kids, they are also my dependents. We all have Indian passports.

When i switch my job to Switzerland, my wife is planning to apply for a student visa in UK (join a course in some university in UK). So that my kids (age 14 and age9) can continue their studies in UK. Once she gets a student visa, i shall be her dependent.

Is this a feasible idea? Please suggest and advice

I would prefer to stay in UK and work in Switzerland

I'm not sure what my tax liabilities would be. Would I need to pay income tax in both Switzerland and in the UK?

If anyone has some experience of this, that'd be very helpful.

Thanks
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Re: Work in Switzerland, live in UK

I posted something similar yesterday, but not with the visa / family complication you have... the easiest way if the company is multinational is to ask them to offer you a UK contract, most legal option.

If you work out of a Swiss company and commute to UK ( more than 182 days a year) but - there are so many other interpretations, then you are liable to to pay tax in Switzerland, then top up in the UK.

Seems all your problems can be solved if you ask them to issue you a UK contract, if its a multi national company it should be not an issue.
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Re: Work in Switzerland, live in UK

Oh and do a quick search many other threads about this
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Re: Work in Switzerland, live in UK

You say you have an Indian passport: are you sure you have the right to work in Switzerland and that your prospective employer is aware of your nationality / status?

You do not qualify for a cross border non-EU G permit because you do not seem to have permanent residency in a bordering country to Switzerland nor have been living in a bordering town for over 6 months.

Eventually if you qualify to obtain a non-EU work permit (to live in Switzerland) you would have to move here to take up the job.
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I am new here - I've done a search but can't quite find the answer to my issue, so hopefully someone can point me in the right direction.
You can't have been looking very hard, or else you think you're somehow different from all the other people that have asked exactly the same question. You're not.

You won't have any automatic right to work in Switzerland, so your prospective employer would have to prove that they couldn't find a CH or EU person to do the job.

Assuming, for now, that they were able to do so (and it's really nit very likely) Even if they did so, you would then need to move to Switzerland to take up the role, and be liable to all Swiss taxes, mandatory insurances etc. etc. You would then be Swiss resident, with no UK tax liability on your salary.

Nothing to stop you flying home every weekend, of course.
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Re: Work in Switzerland, live in UK

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You can't have been looking very hard, or else you think you're somehow different from all the other people that have asked exactly the same question. You're not.

You won't have any automatic right to work in Switzerland, so your prospective employer would have to prove that they couldn't find a CH or EU person to do the job.

Assuming, for now, that they were able to do so (and it's really nit very likely) Even if they did so, you would then need to move to Switzerland to take up the role, and be liable to all Swiss taxes, mandatory insurances etc. etc. You would then be Swiss resident, with no UK tax liability on your salary.

Nothing to stop you flying home every weekend, of course.

There is a UK 90 day rule to stop you flying home every weekend, if the centre of life (wife, family, property) is in the UK. Depending on your status, that 90 days can be less than 60 (look up the "deemed days" rule, and weep)



One thing I have learned in my 5 years here is that it would be MUCH simpler taxation-wise to move entirely, than to commute back and forth each week.


(You will notice I said "simpler", not "easier"...)

YMMV, of course. I'm a Brit, working fully time in CH. But it seems to be even more complicated for non EU people.


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Re: Work in Switzerland, live in UK

Don't for get the 2 weeks quarantine each direction each time you fly.

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There is a UK 90 day rule to stop you flying home every weekend, if the centre of life (wife, family, property) is in the UK. Depending on your status, that 90 days can be less than 60 (look up the "deemed days" rule, and weep)



One thing I have learned in my 5 years here is that it would be MUCH simpler taxation-wise to move entirely, than to commute back and forth each week.


(You will notice I said "simpler", not "easier"...)

YMMV, of course. I'm a Brit, working fully time in CH. But it seems to be even more complicated for non EU people.


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Thanks Ian, yes am a Brit too, and the idea is to move back to the UK within a year or so, while my employer is still in Ch... but as the others said if I would move back in the future simplest thing is to ask them to have a contract from their London office.
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Don't for get the 2 weeks quarantine each direction each time you fly.

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Not if you fly every week... there's an exemption for regular travellers.

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Hi Everyone,

I don't know if anyone can help here but we have searched the internet and can't come up with the answer.

I work in Switzerland and i currently have an L permit valid until June 2021. My wife has recently joined me and continues to be employed by her UK employer whilst working from home in Switzerland. (She has her employer's approval for this)

We have read in places that this is acceptable up until 183 days. But, what happens after that? We have read things about double taxation and many conflicting views.

My wife's UK employment actually comes to an end in March and then she intends to look for a new role in Switzerland. This means she would potentially be working from home in Switzerland for 9 months.

Can anyone offer any advice on what happens after six months or what she needs to do?

Many thanks in advance.
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Re: Work in Switzerland, live in UK

Switzerland has a dual-taxation rule with the UK. You will end up paying tax once, in the country which has the higher rate, i.e. UK, once you become liable in both.

Speak to an accountant.
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Switzerland has a dual-taxation rule with the UK. You will end up paying tax once, in the country which has the higher rate, i.e. UK, once you become liable in both.

Speak to an accountant.
Sort of, but not entirely true... depending on where you are taxed at source you may end up initially paying tax in both countries, but the dual tax treaty is supposed to give you a discount off the other tax bill so it comes out at no more than the highest rate.

In practice, there are things allowed against tax in CH which are not in the UK, so you end up paying slightly more.

+1 for speaking to an accountant. In BOTH countries. And guess what... their fees are not tax deductable for a private person...

Good luck

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