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WFH in London

I wonder if anyone can let me know the consequences if I work from home in London instead of Zurich, at the moment everyone in my office works from home, many are moving away to live nearer their families outside of Zurich in other Cantons, so am wondering if I can do the same, I worked for a few months now in my Zuirch tiny apartment, its depressing, while I have a lot of family/friends and larger space / garden in London.

Anyone knows the implications if I did this while still on a Swiss contract? I tried to call the Gemeinde but they seem not to answer the phones.
From tax point of view, I understand I would need to make up for the taxes here in the UK ( so whatever I pay in Switzerland, then pay in the UK the extra that is required) from a permit point of view, would I lose my B permit?
Can one have an address and keep the permit while out of the country?
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Re: WFH in London

Tax-wise, generally you're taxed (income and social security) where the work is done so it probably isn't so simple as paying the difference. Some people simply do it without telling either the WFH country nor Switzerland but it's not something I'd recommend.
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Tax-wise, generally you're taxed (income and social security) where the work is done so it probably isn't so simple as paying the difference. Some people simply do it without telling either the WFH country nor Switzerland but it's not something I'd recommend.
Yes I agree, I want to do it cleanly and properly, can't have this hanging over my head ...
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Re: WFH in London

It depends on how long it will be. Tomorrow I'm going to the NL for a couple of weeks and will work from home at my GF's place. No way am I going to get the authorities involved in working out what tax I might have to pay there.

If you're going for 6 months or so that'll be different, but I imagine it will involve de-registering as well. If your company is happy for you to work at home in the UK I would just do it and pop back for a few days once a month.
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It depends on how long it will be. Tomorrow I'm going to the NL for a couple of weeks and will work from home at my GF's place. No way am I going to get the authorities involved in working out what tax I might have to pay there.

If you're going for 6 months or so that'll be different, but I imagine it will involve de-registering as well. If your company is happy for you to work at home in the UK I would just do it and pop back for a few days once a month.
I can just see the Viadukt faithful at your doorstep in NL
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I can just see the Viadukt faithful at your doorstep in NL
I might be bringing some Dutch curds back with me!
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Re: WFH in London

avoid 183 midnights in the UK and have evidence to prove that you were there less than that.

I do believe that should work with the centre of your life being in Zürich given your job is here and it should return to normal in late 2021. The new normal but normal.
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Re: WFH in London

I think the points in this thread are relevant (at least while UK is still EU).

https://www.englishforum.ch/permits-...king-home.html
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Re: WFH in London

Check your employment contract doesn't specify you have to work from Switzerland.

This can be the case for employees wth access to financial systems or sensitive data etc.
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Work in Switzerland, live in UK

Hi all

I am new here - I've done a search but can't quite find the answer to my issue, so hopefully someone can point me in the right direction.

I'm in discussions regarding a job for a multinational, based in Switzerland. I've not yet been offered the role, but it's looking promising.

Anyway, my family is not yet mobile, so my plan would be to "commute" to Switzerland on Monday and fly home to London on Thursday.

We are basically from India, but living in UK since last more than an year. I have a job in UK now and a visa. My wife is currently my dependent. I have two kids, they are also my dependents. We all have Indian passports.

When i switch my job to Switzerland, my wife is planning to apply for a student visa in UK (join a course in some university in UK). So that my kids (age 14 and age9) can continue their studies in UK. Once she gets a student visa, i shall be her dependent.

Is this a feasible idea? Please suggest and advice

I would prefer to stay in UK and work in Switzerland

I'm not sure what my tax liabilities would be. Would I need to pay income tax in both Switzerland and in the UK?

If anyone has some experience of this, that'd be very helpful.

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Re: Work in Switzerland, live in UK

I posted something similar yesterday, but not with the visa / family complication you have... the easiest way if the company is multinational is to ask them to offer you a UK contract, most legal option.

If you work out of a Swiss company and commute to UK ( more than 182 days a year) but - there are so many other interpretations, then you are liable to to pay tax in Switzerland, then top up in the UK.

Seems all your problems can be solved if you ask them to issue you a UK contract, if its a multi national company it should be not an issue.
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Re: Work in Switzerland, live in UK

Oh and do a quick search many other threads about this
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Re: Work in Switzerland, live in UK

You say you have an Indian passport: are you sure you have the right to work in Switzerland and that your prospective employer is aware of your nationality / status?

You do not qualify for a cross border non-EU G permit because you do not seem to have permanent residency in a bordering country to Switzerland nor have been living in a bordering town for over 6 months.

Eventually if you qualify to obtain a non-EU work permit (to live in Switzerland) you would have to move here to take up the job.
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I am new here - I've done a search but can't quite find the answer to my issue, so hopefully someone can point me in the right direction.
You can't have been looking very hard, or else you think you're somehow different from all the other people that have asked exactly the same question. You're not.

You won't have any automatic right to work in Switzerland, so your prospective employer would have to prove that they couldn't find a CH or EU person to do the job.

Assuming, for now, that they were able to do so (and it's really nit very likely) Even if they did so, you would then need to move to Switzerland to take up the role, and be liable to all Swiss taxes, mandatory insurances etc. etc. You would then be Swiss resident, with no UK tax liability on your salary.

Nothing to stop you flying home every weekend, of course.
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Re: Work in Switzerland, live in UK

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You can't have been looking very hard, or else you think you're somehow different from all the other people that have asked exactly the same question. You're not.

You won't have any automatic right to work in Switzerland, so your prospective employer would have to prove that they couldn't find a CH or EU person to do the job.

Assuming, for now, that they were able to do so (and it's really nit very likely) Even if they did so, you would then need to move to Switzerland to take up the role, and be liable to all Swiss taxes, mandatory insurances etc. etc. You would then be Swiss resident, with no UK tax liability on your salary.

Nothing to stop you flying home every weekend, of course.

There is a UK 90 day rule to stop you flying home every weekend, if the centre of life (wife, family, property) is in the UK. Depending on your status, that 90 days can be less than 60 (look up the "deemed days" rule, and weep)



One thing I have learned in my 5 years here is that it would be MUCH simpler taxation-wise to move entirely, than to commute back and forth each week.


(You will notice I said "simpler", not "easier"...)

YMMV, of course. I'm a Brit, working fully time in CH. But it seems to be even more complicated for non EU people.


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Re: Work in Switzerland, live in UK

Don't for get the 2 weeks quarantine each direction each time you fly.

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Don't for get the 2 weeks quarantine each direction each time you fly.

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Not if you fly every week... there's an exemption for regular travellers.

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There is a UK 90 day rule to stop you flying home every weekend, if the centre of life (wife, family, property) is in the UK. Depending on your status, that 90 days can be less than 60 (look up the "deemed days" rule, and weep)



One thing I have learned in my 5 years here is that it would be MUCH simpler taxation-wise to move entirely, than to commute back and forth each week.


(You will notice I said "simpler", not "easier"...)

YMMV, of course. I'm a Brit, working fully time in CH. But it seems to be even more complicated for non EU people.


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Thanks Ian, yes am a Brit too, and the idea is to move back to the UK within a year or so, while my employer is still in Ch... but as the others said if I would move back in the future simplest thing is to ask them to have a contract from their London office.
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Hi Everyone,

I don't know if anyone can help here but we have searched the internet and can't come up with the answer.

I work in Switzerland and i currently have an L permit valid until June 2021. My wife has recently joined me and continues to be employed by her UK employer whilst working from home in Switzerland. (She has her employer's approval for this)

We have read in places that this is acceptable up until 183 days. But, what happens after that? We have read things about double taxation and many conflicting views.

My wife's UK employment actually comes to an end in March and then she intends to look for a new role in Switzerland. This means she would potentially be working from home in Switzerland for 9 months.

Can anyone offer any advice on what happens after six months or what she needs to do?

Many thanks in advance.
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Re: Work in Switzerland, live in UK

Switzerland has a dual-taxation rule with the UK. You will end up paying tax once, in the country which has the higher rate, i.e. UK, once you become liable in both.

Speak to an accountant.
 

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