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Retirement Move to New Canton

I will be retiring soon here in Switzerland. We would like to move Cantons to Luzern. As a C Permit holder for 25 Years, and as a British Citizen will I be expected to do the Language qualification in the New Canton for my C Permit?
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I will be retiring soon here in Switzerland. We would like to move Cantons to Luzern. As a C Permit holder for 25 Years, and as a British Citizen will I be expected to do the Language qualification in the New Canton for my C Permit?
Probably as well as likely at renewal in your existing canton. After 25 years of being a C permit holder you ought to be able to reach A2/B1 level
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I will be retiring soon here in Switzerland. We would like to move Cantons to Luzern. As a C Permit holder for 25 Years, and as a British Citizen will I be expected to do the Language qualification in the New Canton for my C Permit?
25 years!?! Why didn't you apply for Swiss citizenship?
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25 years!?! Why didn't you apply for Swiss citizenship?

German language maybe?
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German language maybe?
After 25 years here? And it was easier 15 years ago...
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Re: Retirement Move to New Canton

Honestly I don't know the correct answer, however:

Having attended -two- sessions which the British Embassy hosted about BREXIT & the transition period, I believe the answer is no you don't.

Those already settled here with 'C' Permit are allowed to stay and if I recall correctly no additional restrictions. There was no mention about moving cantons but language tests were excluded and that was specifically mentioned if you already held a 'C' permit before the end of the transition period.

You can contact the British Embassy in Bern, they have a website too and they should be able to clarify. Link about the The UK-Swiss Citizens’ Rights Agreement can be found here:

I have a list of questions on my retirement but will check with a lawyer too!

Myself I am keen to move too Lugano for my retirement but that is Italian speaking and I am at almost zero in language for that at the moment. Of course I have the choice to do Swiss (but I doubt, I will do that) but based on French or at least become conversational before I move which I plan to do.

Leaving aside, moral, ethical integration etc, it is non the less and interesting question.

If it turns out that it is required then I have just over five years to master Italian, certainly cannot be harder than French, despite what an Italian lady told me ...

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Myself I am keen to move too Lugano for my retirement but that is Italian speaking and I am at almost zero in language for that at the moment.
I was at pretty much zero Italian when I moved here, but survived on French and German, my French already fluent and my German vastly improved after moving to Ticino, and slowly picked up Italian.

I got facilited citizenship, no language requirements in those days (1997).

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will I be expected to do the Language qualification in the New Canton for my C Permit?
No. Permit C has not to be ne renewed in the sense as permit B is renewed. Permit C is "for life" and they will not request a new language certificate.

But as we know for every rule their is an exception: If you lack of language skills becomes a real issue in your life in Switzerland, specially with authorities, they can ask you to acquire the needed language skills. This can happen at any time it becomes an actual, real issue. If you do not comply they can downgrade you to B. But it must be a real issue. If you manage to limp along, follow the rules and regulations, and act promptly on the usual government requests nobody will or can ask you to do anything.
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Re: Retirement Move to New Canton

Thanks everybody for your feedback, as suggested I should have applied for Citizenship when there were no requirements, just too lazy. My spoken German is fluent but my written German is terrible. But, times change, requirements change and presently we have no intention of retiring here in Switzerland as my pension is not enough to afford a comfortable life here. Moving Canton to live with friends is a stop-gap until we can sell-up in CH and complete in the UK.
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After 25 years here? And it was easier 15 years ago...
I'm pretty certain I could be here for 25,000 years and still not understand Swiss German. I'm afraid getting to A2 is already a challenge for me.
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Thanks everybody for your feedback, as suggested I should have applied for Citizenship when there were no requirements, just too lazy. My spoken German is fluent but my written German is terrible. But, times change, requirements change and presently we have no intention of retiring here in Switzerland as my pension is not enough to afford a comfortable life here. Moving Canton to live with friends is a stop-gap until we can sell-up in CH and complete in the UK.
If you are fluent at spoken German, and you can write English there's no way you are going to fail at the A2 level.
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Honestly I don't know the correct answer, however:

Having attended -two- sessions which the British Embassy hosted about BREXIT & the transition period, I believe the answer is no you don't.

Those already settled here with 'C' Permit are allowed to stay and if I recall correctly no additional restrictions. There was no mention about moving cantons but language tests were excluded and that was specifically mentioned if you already held a 'C' permit before the end of the transition period.

You can contact the British Embassy in Bern, they have a website too and they should be able to clarify. Link about the The UK-Swiss Citizens’ Rights Agreement can be found here:

I have a list of questions on my retirement but will check with a lawyer too!

Myself I am keen to move too Lugano for my retirement but that is Italian speaking and I am at almost zero in language for that at the moment. Of course I have the choice to do Swiss (but I doubt, I will do that) but based on French or at least become conversational before I move which I plan to do.

Leaving aside, moral, ethical integration etc, it is non the less and interesting question.

If it turns out that it is required then I have just over five years to master Italian, certainly cannot be harder than French, despite what an Italian lady told me ...
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No. Permit C has not to be ne renewed in the sense as permit B is renewed. Permit C is "for life" and they will not request a new language certificate.

But as we know for every rule their is an exception: If you lack of language skills becomes a real issue in your life in Switzerland, specially with authorities, they can ask you to acquire the needed language skills. This can happen at any time it becomes an actual, real issue. If you do not comply they can downgrade you to B. But it must be a real issue. If you manage to limp along, follow the rules and regulations, and act promptly on the usual government requests nobody will or can ask you to do anything.
I was wondering what the possible consequences are of having your C Permit removed and Reduced to a B Permit for non compliance i.e.:
• Residence Permit and Swiss Owned Property
• Taxes on World Wide Wealth vs Withholding Tax

I imagine it would be even more complicated and based on the Interpretation of the local Gemeide.
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I was wondering what the possible consequences are of having your C Permit removed and Reduced to a B Permit for non compliance i.e.:
• Residence Permit and Swiss Owned Property
• Taxes on World Wide Wealth vs Withholding Tax

I imagine it would be even more complicated and based on the Interpretation of the local Gemeide.
Geminde aren't responsible for permits - its cantonal IIRC.

I don't think there are any as regarding property and taxes. At least if you earn over 120K.
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I was wondering what the possible consequences are of having your C Permit removed and Reduced to a B Permit for non compliance i.e.:
• Residence Permit and Swiss Owned Property
• Taxes on World Wide Wealth vs Withholding Tax
There is always taxes on world wide wealth and income. Just the reporting is bit difference between regular taxation and taxation with withholding tax only.

Be aware that you are subject to regular taxation when:
- Have real estate in Switzerland (some cantons).
- Have wealth above a certain threshold (some cantons).
- Have no Swiss income.
- Get an AHV pension.
- Filled a regular taxation in the previous year.
- Some other conditions....

The real consequences are:
- Not able to apply for Swiss citizenship.
- Loss of permit if away for too long.
- Not able to put the permit on hold.
- Losing the voting right (some cantons and/or communes only).
- Not able to start a business easily.

Some of those consequences are even more important for non-EU/EFTA persons.
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I'm pretty certain I could be here for 25,000 years and still not understand Swiss German. I'm afraid getting to A2 is already a challenge for me.
Got a phone call from a dude yesterday about some electronic bits.

He spoke bad English, I suggested that 'Duutsch' was OK, we continued with my crap German and his Swiss German, no problem!

Understanding it is the easy bit, speaking it not, but most are quite happy if they can speak their language, you understand it, and you speak whatever.

That's how it works around here with people with different dialects.

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There is always taxes on world wide wealth and income. Just the reporting is bit difference between regular taxation and taxation with withholding tax only.

Be aware that you are subject to regular taxation when:
- Have real estate in Switzerland (some cantons).
- Have wealth above a certain threshold (some cantons).
- Have no Swiss income.
- Get an AHV pension.
- Filled a regular taxation in the previous year.
- Some other conditions....

The real consequences are:
- Not able to apply for Swiss citizenship.
- Loss of permit if away for too long.
- Not able to put the permit on hold.
- Losing the voting right (some cantons and/or communes only).
- Not able to start a business easily.

Some of those consequences are even more important for non-EU/EFTA persons.
Thanks for the info
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