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Re: Work

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Old 17.09.2020, 07:50
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Re: Work

It may not be impossible, but it's down to your farmer friend to sort out the necessary permit for you. Who knows, there may be a shortage of farm workers and it will be very easy for him to get a permit on your behalf. But he's the one who has to approach the authorities and give his reasons for hiring you instead of someone who already lives here and has a valid permit.

And don't let your friend fool you by saying he's applied, but it's okay for you to come and start working while you await approval. It isn't. If he says it is then ask him for a copy of the permit approval letter which will come from here:

Service de la population et des migrants
Section main d’œuvre étrangère
Route d’Englisberg 11
1763 Granges-Paccot
tél .: +41 26 305 24 86
fax : +41 26 305 24 82

If he can't produce it then you don't have permission to live/work here.
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I want to mention that i have Swiss wife and a daughter, is there any advantage for me even though we have not apply for Family Reunion? I mean intense of work
Why aren't you together then?

If so, she would have to be living in Switzerland in order for you to obtain a residence and work permit through marriage & you would have to prove you share the same address. You cannot work in Switzerland on just an Italian residence permit...

Your farmer friend would also have to prove that he could not hire locally or within the EU in order to obtain one for you. Sadly, people are clamouring for work now and I'm sure it is impossible.
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Re: Work

I good friend of mine in a very similar situation:

* NON-EU
* Swiss wife (from Basel)
* Residence in Italy
* IT professional

was unable to work here due to what Medea mentioned. Your wife would need to start the reunification process, and for that to work, she would need a job here and prove that she can cover all costs including accommodation.

Since his wife knew she wouldn't be able to get a high enough salary, my friend needed to go through the NON-EU process. It took him almost a year, once they moved here and his wife registered, after a year or so, they were able to change his permit to the family reunification one.

It's hard to believe, but unfortunately, it is the way it works for NON-EU.
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Re: Work

Medea, i do appreciate your writings, thanks alot.
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My wife is living here in Switzerland, but the problem is that she has lost her job due to the current situation, talking about family reunion; we have done that already but didn't succeed due to her job issue and that is why am like trying to find another alternative.
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Family reunion

Please i need information about family reunion,
My wife, a swiss citizen
She lives with 2 kids and 1 teenager in 4 and half appartement in canton St.gallen.
I want to join them there, so my question is How MUCH does she have to be earning monthly in order for the family reunion to be possible?

Please anyone with information about this topic should help.
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Re: Family reunion

I would say have your wife call the Gemeinde and ask them. They should be able to provide the requirements she would have to fill.
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Re: Family reunion

Here is some general information about this process:
https://www.ch.ch/en/family-reunification/

Www.ch.ch is a wonderful resource for all sorts of information about life in Switzerland.

Here is the page specifically for St Gallen, with lots of links and info about family reunification. Please note that in Switzerland, the distinction is always made between "EU" and "non-EU". That's critical to do with all matters related to permits.
The relevant word, for you and your wife, in this list, is Familiennachzug.
https://www.sg.ch/sicherheit/einreis...e-staaten.html

See also point 7.3. here: https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...reise/faq.html

which refers to this https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/de/home...ennachzug.html (in German only, no English translation),

and in turn to this https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/de/home...erbereich.html (in German only, no English translation),
where Section 6. sets out all the info on "Familiennachzug".

There, in Paragraph
6.2 Familienangehörige von Schweizerinnen und Schweizern
6.2.1 Familienangehörige ohne Aufenthaltsbewilligung in einem EU-/ EFTA-Staat

but it does not specify the required income.

However, further down (for a different sub-category of families to be reunited), it specifies:
6.3.1.3 Finanzielle Mittel: Keine Sozialhilfe oder Ergänzungsleistungen
which basically says that the Swiss spouse must earn enough to support herself, her children, and her incoming spouse without needing any kind of government support.
I'm not sure to what extent that exact rule applies to your situation, but it is very likely that this minimum would apply.

I hope that your wife can read German, or find someone local to guide her through the tedious process of gathering together all your and her documents to submit to support her application. Brace yourself: it can be quite a lot of administrative work for you both, as you collect all they require, and can take a while.
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Re: Family reunion

Somehow OP's questions have been asked in two separate threads.
I answered here without having realised that there is already another thread with other parts of OP's details.

Could a friendly mod please merge these two threads, so that OP gets the maximum help all in one place? Thank you.
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Re: Family reunion

Since you said your wife has lost her job so the family reunification application failed, I don't really know why you're asking about this in a new thread.
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Re: Family reunion

Doropfiz, i really appreciate your information, it was pretty good but they didn't specify income that could be enough intense of Family Reunion plainly. Thank you
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Re: Family reunion

Medea, that my wife lost her job didn't mean that she can not find another job and reapply for Family Reunion again. So please am asking to know the minimum income that tied to Family Reunion like mine.
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Doropfiz, i really appreciate your information, it was pretty good but they didn't specify income that could be enough intense of Family Reunion plainly. Thank you
Have another look at this part:

6.3.1.3 Finanzielle Mittel: Keine Sozialhilfe oder Ergänzungsleistungen

Die finanziellen Mittel müssen gewährleisten, dass der Familiennachzug nicht zu einer Sozialhilfeabhängigkeit führt (Art. 43 Abs. 1 Bst. c AIG). Mindestens sollten finanzielle Mittel gemäss den Richtlinien der schweizerischen Konferenz für Sozialhilfe (SKOS-Richtlinien) vorhanden sein. Es liegt im kantonalen Ermessen, zusätzliche Mittel vorauszusetzen, die es den
Ausländerinnen und Ausländern ermöglichen, ihre soziale Integration in der Schweiz sicherzustellen.
Die nachziehende Person darf bei der Gesuchstellung auch keine Ergänzungsleistungen
beziehen oder wegen des Familiennachzuges in naher Zukunft mit grossen Wahrscheinlichkeit bezugsberechtigt werden (Art. 43 Abs. 1 Bst. e AIG). Zu den diesbezüglichen Meldepflichten der Behörden von Bund und Kantone siehe Ziffer 8.11.4.



If you go back, you'll see that there is a clickable link to the SKOS-Richtlinien. They are guidelines explaining the level at which a family would become dependent upon receiving benefits from Social Services. That would be the exclusion criterion.

You are looking for a exact number in Swiss Francs, a cut-off point which is absolutely enough, but that number does not exist.
The reason for this is that the SKOS guidelines have various ways of calculating the real need in each case. They take into account the number of adults living in the home, the occupations of each child (needing care, at school, studying, able to work), the real-life rental (and whether that is considered low enough, or too much such that they would need to move to somewhere cheaper), the medical and accident insurance premiums to be paid for each person in the specific family, and so on.

Therefore, to know that number, exactly, your wife would need to study the guidelines, and then to do the calculations.

Or, as SodaBubblies posted above, the much easier route would be for her to just call the cantonal migration office and ask them. They may give her a rough guideline figure, especially if she can do a quick breakdown of her current expenses and income.

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My wife is living here in Switzerland, but the problem is that she has lost her job due to the current situation, talking about family reunion; we have done that already but didn't succeed due to her job issue and that is why am like trying to find another alternative.
Although I don't know for certain how a rejection works, I would have expected that the approximate level she would need to be earning, to qualify, might even be specified in the rejection letter that she received, so I'm a little surprised that it isn't already clear.
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Re: Family reunion

Yes, as SodaBubblies said,is better to call them and ask for definite minimum income that is required, thank you all for your answers.
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Somehow OP's questions have been asked in two separate threads.
I answered here without having realised that there is already another thread with other parts of OP's details.

Could a friendly mod please merge these two threads, so that OP gets the maximum help all in one place? Thank you.
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Yes, as SodaBubblies said,is better to call them and ask for definite minimum income that is required, thank you all for your answers.
I hope you've understood my post above, about the SKOS guidelines. That explains why there simply isn't a "definite minimum income" that is required. It is highly unlikely that anyone would be able to tell you or your wife that. There will be only an approximate figure. This is because they assess each case individually, each person in each family, anew, at the time of processing the application.

As I understand it, your wife's application for reunification was rejected because her income was insufficient.
  1. Did that letter of rejection not set out, in some form, to what extent her income was insufficient? Or indicate what would have to change?
  2. Besides the federal rules, each Canton is entitled to have its own, extra rules. I would hope that that letter or rejection perhaps specifies at least according to which paragraphs of specific cantonal or federeal rules, laws or regulations your wife's application was assessed.
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Re: Work/Family Reunion

They did not actully sum up the figue, i think given them a call or even visiting them could be more effective, but the fact is that am not there with them and i do not really know how the publich administration office is functioning in this second wave of corona virus.
Hopefully they will have time for us.
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Your wife could ask them?
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