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What qualifies as "Well Integrated" for purposes of naturalization

I'm going to be applying for facilitated naturalization in December, and as long as I can improve my German a bit, it seems that I'll hit all the requirements, but I'm wondering what "be well integrated into Swiss society" actually looks like.

Are there some examples of what the immigration folks expect?
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Old 22.09.2020, 13:01
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Re: What qualifies as "Well Integrated" for purposes of naturalization

Around here at least, taking part of the local village life, like participating in local clubs, and similar was used to justify this.
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Re: What qualifies as "Well Integrated" for purposes of naturalization

We joined a few obvious vereine/clubs to have a story to tell (SAC, music place, sports club). I found the story more important than the details, ie. just be able to explain a plausible quick story that you're not just sitting in your expat bubble.
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Old 22.09.2020, 13:28
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Re: What qualifies as "Well Integrated" for purposes of naturalization

Do you have kids?
What do you do in your local community?

The bar is not that high, just ensure you have something to talk about if asked.
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Old 22.09.2020, 13:58
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Re: What qualifies as "Well Integrated" for purposes of naturalization

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I'm going to be applying for facilitated naturalization in December, and as long as I can improve my German a bit, it seems that I'll hit all the requirements, but I'm wondering what "be well integrated into Swiss society" actually looks like.

Are there some examples of what the immigration folks expect?
A seat at the stammtisch where you play cards regularly with the locals including some of the police that will interview you later. No interview since it would be ridiculous to interview a neighbour.

A key player in the local soccer team - got everything done and dusted in less than 6 months - no interviews etc. The Gemeindepräsident shepherded the application through the entire process.
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Around here at least, taking part of the local village life, like participating in local clubs, and similar was used to justify this.
I find it pretty hard.. I'll be eligible in a year or so and thought about joining some stuff.. But there's nothing in the village. Nothing that I join without being obviously just for the sake of it..

The kids however are in quite a few clubs so maybe that helps.
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Re: What qualifies as "Well Integrated" for purposes of naturalization

It is defined in the BÜV https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...117/index.html which is the ordinance of the BÜG / Swiss Citicenship Act https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...990/index.html


Not be a risk to the internal and external security of Switzerland:
a.k.a not be a terrorist, a spy, a war criminal.

To not act against the laws and regulations.
No criminal record, pay taxes on time, no registered debts due to overdue bills.

Respect the spirt of the Swiss constitution.
Freedom of religion and equality of woman and man are the most important. Also sending your kids to school (does not have to be public school).

Mastering of one Swiss language on the required level (for facilitated it does not have to be the local language)

Participation in the Swiss economy or acquiring knowledge.
This basically means not to be dependent on social security nor living frugally as a self independent hermit in the woods. Being a housewife/houseman, millionaire, pensioner, or being on RAV/Chomage is ok.

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encouraging and supporting the integration of one’s wife or husband, registered partner or the minor children for whom one has parental responsibility.
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Old 22.09.2020, 14:25
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The kids however are in quite a few clubs so maybe that helps.
That will help. Nearly all local kids clubs involve some kind of parent involvement, e.g. participating in the sport end of season dinner, volunteering at tournaments, fundraising, etc.

And don't you have the requirement or opportunity to join the local fire brigade instead of paying the tax.
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Old 22.09.2020, 14:42
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I find it pretty hard.. I'll be eligible in a year or so and thought about joining some stuff.. But there's nothing in the village. Nothing that I join without being obviously just for the sake of it..

The kids however are in quite a few clubs so maybe that helps.
Your kids' club, I assume they host some activities over the year... I suggest you help out/volunteer on these activities. You can be the grill-meister or wash the dishes, whatever it takes to show your active participation.
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Re: What qualifies as "Well Integrated" for purposes of naturalization

Do you know your (Swiss) neighbours? Do you shop in the local shops? Do you know the shopkeeper; the postmistress; the syndic; ? Do you tu-toi any of the above? Do you participate in town events like 1 August?
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Old 22.09.2020, 16:43
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It is defined in the BÜV https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...117/index.html which is the ordinance of the BÜG / Swiss Citicenship Act https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...990/index.html


Not be a risk to the internal and external security of Switzerland:
a.k.a not be a terrorist, a spy, a war criminal.

To not act against the laws and regulations.
No criminal record, pay taxes on time, no registered debts due to overdue bills.

Respect the spirt of the Swiss constitution.
Freedom of religion and equality of woman and man are the most important. Also sending your kids to school (does not have to be public school).

Mastering of one Swiss language on the required level (for facilitated it does not have to be the local language)

Participation in the Swiss economy or acquiring knowledge.
This basically means not to be dependent on social security nor living frugally as a self independent hermit in the woods. Being a housewife/houseman, millionaire, pensioner, or being on RAV/Chomage is ok.

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encouraging and supporting the integration of one’s wife or husband, registered partner or the minor children for whom one has parental responsibility.
That's definitely how it works where I live.
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Old 22.09.2020, 17:12
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Do you know your (Swiss) neighbours? Do you shop in the local shops? Do you know the shopkeeper; the postmistress; the syndic; ? Do you tu-toi any of the above? Do you participate in town events like 1 August?
Unfortunately I live in the 21st century
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Old 22.09.2020, 17:42
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Do you know your (Swiss) neighbours? Do you shop in the local shops? Do you know the shopkeeper; the postmistress; the syndic; ? Do you tu-toi any of the above? Do you participate in town events like 1 August?
I shop across the border in France. I don't attend any social events at all. I basically live like a hermit. I have a job and am self-sufficient.

How am I doing on the integration front?
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How am I doing on the integration front?
Poorly.
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I shop across the border in France. I don't attend any social events at all. I basically live like a hermit. I have a job and am self-sufficient.

How am I doing on the integration front?

how's your french again?
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Old 22.09.2020, 19:14
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I shop across the border in France. I don't attend any social events at all. I basically live like a hermit. I have a job and am self-sufficient.

How am I doing on the integration front?
Dunno. See here: https://www.englishforum.ch/permits-...ml#post3219476. This certainly seems to be the case for us. I think perhaps some people are heralding back to their experiences and aren't up with the streamlining of the process.

Funny thing. In my community, they don't require birth or marriage certificates to accompany applications. This is because they had a vote on simplification last year... for which my daughters, who went through the process a few years ago, voted in favour.
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Re: What qualifies as "Well Integrated" for purposes of naturalization

I am in no clubs etc.... they never asked me either. They only seemed to care that I knew enough German to answer their questions and that was it.... Swiss! Didn’t contact my referees either!
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Poorly.
If that's the case I was poorly integrated in Britain (my homeland). The thought of socialising with neighbours anywhere fills me with dread
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I shop across the border in France. I don't attend any social events at all. I basically live like a hermit. I have a job and am self-sufficient.

How am I doing on the integration front?
Judging by the numberplates in border towns outside the supermarkets very well indeed!
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Hanging out here may count against
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