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Easiest way to get a B `working` permit

Hi Guys,

I am moving to Geneva soon (without a job lined up) as an EU citizen and was wondering if there is any other possibility of getting a B working permit other than having a work contract?

Does having sufficient means on your bank account makes you eligible for a B working permit? I suppose that would probably be something in the range of several hundred thousands dollars which I do not have.

I am also considering enrolling a PhD program in 2021 on my own, and not sure if I could work and look for a full time job on the Phd B permit.

Any feedback is helpful.
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Old 29.09.2020, 21:16
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Re: Easiest way to get a B `working` permit

Short answer is no.

Longer answer is that as an EU national you can be here for up to 3 months as a tourist to look for work. If you haven't found a job in that time, you can apply for an L job seeker permit providing you have sufficient funds to support yourself. If you still haven't found a job after 6 months, then you're expected to leave the country.

There is no such thing as a work permit for EU nationals. What you get is a residence permit and if/when you find a job you simply let your commune know you'll now be working and that gets added to the residence permit info.

" I would like to work in Switzerland. What are the conditions for getting a work permit?

Nationals of an EU-27/EFTA state only need a residence permit: this residence permit doubles as work permit. However, a residence permit will only be issued if you have a written confirmation of employment (e.g. the contract of employment containing details of the duration of employment and the number of working hours)."

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...ml#-1597848978
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Old 29.09.2020, 21:35
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Hi Guys,

I am moving to Geneva soon (without a job lined up) as an EU citizen and was wondering if there is any other possibility of getting a B working permit other than having a work contract?

Does having sufficient means on your bank account makes you eligible for a B working permit? I suppose that would probably be something in the range of several hundred thousands dollars which I do not have.

I am also considering enrolling a PhD program in 2021 on my own, and not sure if I could work and look for a full time job on the Phd B permit.

Any feedback is helpful.
Thanks guys.
Well, more than a few professors have unfilled PhD positions with 60%-80% job contracts. Land one of this contracts and no need to look for a job outside the university. You may start your search here https://www.acad.jobs/

In theory you can start a PhD without a job contract, but read this advice provided by EPFL to students and find what regulation applies as EU citizen https://www.epfl.ch/education/studie...study/working/
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I am also considering enrolling a PhD program in 2021 on my own, and not sure if I could work and look for a full time job on the Phd B permit.
As an EU national you can do that. But PhD program plus full time work?
Also PhD position are normally paid. Enough to get health insurance, an place to live, and food. Maybe a bit leftover at the end of a short month.
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I am also considering enrolling a PhD program in 2021 on my own, and not sure if I could work and look for a full time job on the Phd B permit.
A PhD is normally considered to be a 50-60% job. That is, if you are funded, you get paid a 50 or 60% wage, you are expected to work 100%, I know some of my students had additional jobs during their PhDs, but these were part time, normally 20-30%. I know my US student had issues getting a work permit for a 20% job due to being on a study visa, but that should not be an issue for EU permits. My EU students either were C, or did not have a part time job, so not 100% sure, but I am pretty confident that, as long as you have permission from the university, a second part time job is not a problem for EU students.
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Re: Easiest way to get a B `working` permit

I'm still confused about the agreement on free movement of persons


https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...z-eu-efta.html


"The AFMP lifts restrictions on EU citizens wishing to live or work in Switzerland."


But it seems according to this thread you have to leave if you don't find a job?


Edit: Ok found it:

"Persons not in gainful employment are issued this permit [EU B permit] if they can prove that they possess sufficient financial means to support themselves and their family and have taken out adequate accident and health insurance policies. The permit is valid for five years and can be extended."


"The free movement agreement does not cover permanent residence."

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Longer answer is that as an EU national you can be here for up to 3 months as a tourist to look for work. If you haven't found a job in that time, you can apply for an L job seeker permit providing you have sufficient funds to support yourself. If you still haven't found a job after 6 months, then you're expected to leave the country.

There is no such thing as a work permit for EU nationals. What you get is a residence permit and if/when you find a job you simply let your commune know you'll now be working and that gets added to the residence permit info.



The "residence permit" would be the L-permit you refer to, or a B-permit if you come to Switzerland with a job in-hand, or sufficient financial means?
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The "residence permit" would be the L-permit you refer to, or a B-permit if you come to Switzerland with a job in-hand, or sufficient financial means?
It would depend on the length of the employment contract if you come with a job already lined up. A year or less you get an L, more than a year to indefinite you get a B.

Sufficient financial means would get a B as well.
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Thank you so much for your time and effort.
I am still in Berlin until the end of the month and hopefully I will be able to secure a job and get a working permit.

For a sufficient financial means B permit they are probably looking for a God knows what kind of amount on your bank account.

Appreciate the help. Thanks again!

Thanks so much for your reply.

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It would depend on the length of the employment contract if you come with a job already lined up. A year or less you get an L, more than a year to indefinite you get a B.

Sufficient financial means would get a B as well.

Thank you so much for your time and effort.
I am still in Berlin until the end of the month and hopefully I will be able to secure a job and get a working permit.

For a sufficient financial means B permit they are probably looking for a God knows what kind of amount on your bank account.

Appreciate the help. Thanks again!

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