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Refugee N Permit-- Can you work?

Met a family on an N Permit which means they are waiting for the canton to decide whether or not they get another or better permit.

Their claim was rejected already as political refugees and they are appealing. This was over a year ago and they have heard no response on the decision.

They think they can obtain work on their N Permits as long as the company who employs them is willing to do the paperwork.

What paperwork? They're not sure.
Any experiences?
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Old 07.10.2020, 00:59
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Re: Refugee N Permit-- Can you work?

No experience, but from what I understand it is the canton who needs to give authorization.

Are they in Lucern? If yes, needed forms can be found here -
https://migration.lu.ch/Asyl_und_Rue...itsbewilligung
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https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...lsuchende.html

Whether it's possible after a failed asylum claim or not you'd have to check with the cantonal migration office.
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Re: Refugee N Permit-- Can you work?

I dont know their story, but I hope everything will turn out allright for them
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Re: Refugee N Permit-- Can you work?

I know of two here in Vaud that are apprentices. Imagine the answer is yes, subject to conditions.
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Old 07.10.2020, 13:55
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Met a family on an N Permit which means they are waiting for the canton to decide whether or not they get another or better permit.

Their claim was rejected already as political refugees and they are appealing. This was over a year ago and they have heard no response on the decision.

They think they can obtain work on their N Permits as long as the company who employs them is willing to do the paperwork.

What paperwork? They're not sure.
Any experiences?
Depends on Canton. I know people on N permits who are able to work in Baselstadt, but those in Baselland cannot so easily - they have to go through the same route as any 3rd country applicant.
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I dont know their story, but I hope everything will turn out allright for them
This post will get a lot of noise but their asylum application was declined (i.e. there are no legitimate reasons for them to seek protection from Switzerland).

I also hope everything turns out alright for them by returning safely to the country they claim to have ‘fled’ from.
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This post will get a lot of noise but their asylum application was declined (i.e. there are no legitimate reasons for them to seek protection from Switzerland).

I also hope everything turns out alright for them by returning safely to the country they claim to have ‘fled’ from.
They have appealed the decision.
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Everyone has the legal right to be heard (appeal process) following an official decision but it is simply artificially extending their stay, probably with the final hope of receiving an F permit (claiming it would be against human rights to execute a removal or separate a family). One of the many flaws of the current asylum law if you ask many.
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Apparently in Geneva people can live years and years without papers and then get legitimised , since nobody wanna deal with so many cases as they are already backed up with requests from legitimate applications.
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Everyone has the legal right to be heard (appeal process) following an official decision but it is simply artificially extending their stay, probably with the final hope of receiving an F permit (claiming it would be against human rights to execute a removal or separate a family). One of the many flaws of the current asylum law if you ask many.
Switzerland will not deport Iranian nationals, particularly if they are Christians. If they have converted that is a capital offense. They just put them in limbo hoping they will try somewhere else.
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Apparently in Geneva people can live years and years without papers and then get legitimised , since nobody wanna deal with so many cases as they are already backed up with requests from legitimate applications.
What you mention is not part of asylum law but a one-off pilot project called Papyrus which opened the window during 2 years (until end 2018) for people living and working in the canton undeclared for at least 10 years, who had not received social benefits and who speak French. Doubt it will ultimately be rolled out given the number of cases of fraud submitting fake documents as proof that were revealed.

The issue with the F permit loophole is that most are assisted by the state and there is no way to legally remove them.
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What you mention is not part of asylum law but a one-off pilot project called Papyrus which opened the window during 2 years (until end 2018) for people living and working in the canton undeclared for at least 10 years, who had not received social benefits and who speak French. Doubt it will ultimately be rolled out given the number of cases of fraud submitting fake documents as proof that were revealed.

The issue with the F permit loophole is that most are assisted by the state and there is no way to legally remove them.
I don't know much about laws, just wanted to highlight what has been going on and there is no way to know if that would or wouldnt happen again in future. There is no control on who is coming in from other EU countries and there is no dearth of black work given the presence exploiting mafias.
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I don't know much about laws, just wanted to highlight what has been going on and there is no way to know if that would or wouldnt happen again in future. There is no control on who is coming in from other EU countries and there is no dearth of black work given the presence exploiting mafias.
People from 'other EU countries' as you highlight arrive with a work contract and pay into all the social insurances and KVG/LAMal.

The primary beneficiaries of project Papyrus were non-EU as they wouldn't have a right to stay otherwise and are mostly harmless (part of the flourishing undeclared private cleaning services economy in Geneva).
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Everyone has the legal right to be heard (appeal process) following an official decision but it is simply artificially extending their stay,
Not true. I know a lady who had her appeal heard and the canton lost. Having to appeal does not mean the authorities got it right.
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People from 'other EU countries' as you highlight arrive with a work contract and pay into all the social insurances and KVG/LAMal.

The primary beneficiaries of project Papyrus were non-EU as they wouldn't have a right to stay otherwise and are mostly harmless (part of the flourishing undeclared private cleaning services economy in Geneva).
When i say there is no control on who is coming from EU i dont mean to point out any specific group pay tax or not, legal or not legal etc i simply mean "there is no control". Now that you mention i must add , not all EU come with contracts in hand many of them just come for 3 months try to find a job later.
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When i say there is no control on who is coming from EU i dont mean to point out any specific group pay tax or not, legal or not legal etc i simply mean "there is no control". Now that you mention i must add , not all EU come with contracts in hand many of them just come for 3 months try to find a job later.
And many Swiss travel to EU countries without contracts in hand and just go for 3 months to try and find a job later.

Free movement.
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