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B permit probability in Zurich or Basel

Hello all. I am a non-EU who finished his M.Sc./PhD/Post-doc at ETH on a B permit (study with work, 8 years). Now, I got an offer at the hospital for a scientist position (2-3 years) in Zurich and a post-graduate position in a company in Basel (2-3 years). I am wondering whether my choice of the offer affect the probability on me getting a B permit rather than a L (e.g. I am more specialised in the hospital position, Zurich canton runs faster of B-permits and rather give Ls...etc) and whether moving to Basel will change anything with regards to obtaining a C-permit in the end.

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Re: B permit probability in Zurich or Basel

Take the one that is best for your career.
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Re: B permit probability in Zurich or Basel

Hafez,

As the person mentioned above .. Please go with the one that feels right in your heart. I am sure being from ETH, you have an excellent career and exposure to field experts in the future.

Let not your decisions/life be guided by that of permits and such but of where your passion, heart, or career opportunity lies. I understand from where you ask this question from but make bold decisions and sleep peacefully of having made a decision that is closest to your values.

Take an evaluation of your social-life, measure the vibrancy, and see where you would like to be. Why even take an adventure into the new city - Basel if it might be exposing you to a new scene than that of Zürich, but wherever,... I am sure you work and alma matter shall speak for you instead of the number of or type of permits.

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Re: B permit probability in Zurich or Basel

I think people need to tone down the importance of where one studied or graduated from. In the workplace this influences for exactly zero in progression and even less in Switzerland where the % of graduates from universities/higher education institutions is so low (numerous examples of people which have more than proven this is not a damper for getting ahead).

There are tens of thousands of other ETH graduates that are Swiss/EU so OP is sensible to ask these questions.

To answer the question I would stay in Zurich or work in Zurich and move to neighboring Aargau (known to have directly issued B permits to non-EU graduates of Swiss universities in the past).
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To answer the question I would stay in Zurich or work in Zurich and move to neighboring Aargau (known to have directly issued B permits to non-EU graduates of Swiss universities in the past).

Nice advice, except as a Non-EU you would need to check carefully whether you are allowed to ilive on one Canton and work in another. I have no idea about post-university permits as the rules all changed around 2007...

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Re: B permit probability in Zurich or Basel

Thank you all for your advice, I sincerely appreciate it. For both offers, I do not have a big preference towards one over the other, but rather worry about the next step after the 2-3 years of work. I would like to make the choice that will make me able to transit to the next role without having to deal with permit issues again. Regardless, I will keep the post updated with regards to the permit part so that someone else might benefit from it.
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Thank you all for your advice, I sincerely appreciate it. For both offers, I do not have a big preference towards one over the other, but rather worry about the next step after the 2-3 years of work. I would like to make the choice that will make me able to transit to the next role without having to deal with permit issues again. Regardless, I will keep the post updated with regards to the permit part so that someone else might benefit from it.
As a non-EU you will always be dealing with new permit issues unless you're lucky enough to get an open B straightaway. If you want to change jobs it has to be authorized by the Swiss authority if you're on a tied permit, i.e. to one particular employer/job.
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Re: B permit probability in Zurich or Basel

Hi! Also a non-EU citizen here. I would advise remaining in Zurich. Since you already have a B permit, it is not linked to the permit quota, so no worries about being downgraded to L. I had a similar situation and with the support of the employer, you should have no issues.
If you are in Zurich for 8 years already, getting to 10 is doable. After that you can request a C permit. In my experience, after submitting all the paperwork and the very important language certificate, it was issued within 2 weeks. No experience with Basel, but for Zurich, I only have praise.
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Hi! Also a non-EU citizen here. I would advise remaining in Zurich. Since you already have a B permit, it is not linked to the permit quota, so no worries about being downgraded to L. I had a similar situation and with the support of the employer, you should have no issues.
If you are in Zurich for 8 years already, getting to 10 is doable. After that you can request a C permit. In my experience, after submitting all the paperwork and the very important language certificate, it was issued within 2 weeks. No experience with Basel, but for Zurich, I only have praise.
Agree with everything except the quota part. Moving from student B to independent working B/L for non-EU certainly requires taking a permit from the federal quota so there exists a non neglibible risk of obtaining an L if there are no more Bs left.
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Hello all. I am a non-EU who finished his M.Sc./PhD/Post-doc at ETH on a B permit (study with work, 8 years). Now, I got an offer at the hospital for a scientist position (2-3 years) in Zurich and a post-graduate position in a company in Basel (2-3 years). I am wondering whether my choice of the offer affect the probability on me getting a B permit rather than a L (e.g. I am more specialised in the hospital position, Zurich canton runs faster of B-permits and rather give Ls...etc) and whether moving to Basel will change anything with regards to obtaining a C-permit in the end.

Thanks a lot for your assistance.
Well, right now we're in an economic downturn and certainty in having a job is not a trivial matter. Without knowing further details, I'd go for the hospital position. I'd assume the budget to pay for your position will be there until the end of your contract. I'd guess the Basel company is a multinational that can cut hundreds of jobs from one day to another. It's possible that for the next year or two, the hospital is a safer choice. But, these are all conjectures based on limited information and guessing.

On the permit side, it seems your position is not affected by the B permit quotas. Sounds like specialist with unique skills permit which are exempt from permit limits per year. Is this the case? My experience is getting a B permit after PhD in NE working and living in Aargau. No major problems after the employer made the case to the cantonal authorities to hire me. It was approved in a few days.
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Re: B permit probability in Zurich or Basel

Nope it’s not the case.
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Re: B permit probability in Zurich or Basel

Agreed.

Very practical advice. But I just assumed just incase if Basel seemed allthing good over the ZRH and is being let go becuase of the permits.

Looking from the later replies, it is apparant that the ZRH is the more practical one,
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