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Non-EU student post-graduate work permit

Hey

Hope you are fine.

I have finished my master in econ at the UZH (non-eu student) some months ago and now I have found a job as a data analyst in Zurich.
Does someone have any recent experience or knowledge to share on the application procedure? I will be sending, besides the usual documents, a letter of motivation from me and the employer and the job description.

What are the odds of getting the visa?
Do you think data analysis us of ‘high economic interest’?
Should I ask my employer to send two applications one in Zurich and one in Zug where one of the offices of the company is located? Any tip would be very helpful.

Thank you

P.S: I am aware of the previous threads on the topic, but just wanted to know any updated knowledge
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Re: Non-EU student post-graduate work permit

Hi Seno!

As far as I know, your employer (not you) should submit the application for a work permit, since you are Non-EU. A friend of mine (also Non-EU) got B work permit in July in Zürich. But in her case the employer hired a specialized law firm to obtain the permit. She got the permit in approximately 3 weeks after the application.

Regarding Zug vs Zürich I heard two contradicting opinions:

1. Zürich has the most strict rules in the whole Switzerland.
2. In Zug it is even more difficult than in Zürich, because many international companies have offices there and the quotes are already exhausted in the beginning of the year.

Additionally, last week I got the opinion of one HR-person of a well-known company (during an interview) that it is now (because of Corona) extremely difficult to get a Non-EU permit in Zürich.

If I were you I would consider the following:

1. If it is acceptable for you and your employer, try to apply in the beginning of the next year. This should in my opinion increase the overall chance of getting a permit and in particular the chance of obtaining B-permit (and not L). This can be crucial later on, when you apply for C-permit and for citizenship.

2. If your employer has little to no experience in obtaining Non-EU work permit, try to find/hire a reputable/solid law firm with a lot of expertise in this area.

Good luck with your application!
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Re: Non-EU student post-graduate work permit

Hi,

Good news is that permits for high economic interest jobs are outside yearly quotas. Not so good new is that high economic interest jobs depends entirely on the skills and experience from the employer to get the permit.

It is a bit off that you write about sending documents, this is done usually by the employer. Do they have at least 1 HR person or is it a startup were no one has the experience?
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Hi,

Good news is that permits for high economic interest jobs are outside yearly quotas. Not so good new is that high economic interest jobs depends entirely on the skills and experience from the employer to get the permit.

It is a bit off that you write about sending documents, this is done usually by the employer. Do they have at least 1 HR person or is it a startup were no one has the experience?
Hey Axa thanks for the reply.

Are you sure about the quotas not being applied to high economics interest jobs? The document detailing permissions for non-EU graduates says otherwise (at least according to my poor German): "Die Kurzaufenthalts- und Aufenthaltsbewilligungen unterliegen der Kontingentierung (Art. 20 AuG)."

Actually, I got the job fom a person in my network, and we are starting now to write the papers. I might be a bit late but I think the staff here is pretty dedicated to ensure I get the visa. Do you think the letter from the employer influences the decison so much?

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Hi Seno!

As far as I know, your employer (not you) should submit the application for a work permit, since you are Non-EU. A friend of mine (also Non-EU) got B work permit in July in Zürich. But in her case the employer hired a specialized law firm to obtain the permit. She got the permit in approximately 3 weeks after the application.

Regarding Zug vs Zürich I heard two contradicting opinions:

1. Zürich has the most strict rules in the whole Switzerland.
2. In Zug it is even more difficult than in Zürich, because many international companies have offices there and the quotes are already exhausted in the beginning of the year.

Additionally, last week I got the opinion of one HR-person of a well-known company (during an interview) that it is now (because of Corona) extremely difficult to get a Non-EU permit in Zürich.

If I were you I would consider the following:

1. If it is acceptable for you and your employer, try to apply in the beginning of the next year. This should in my opinion increase the overall chance of getting a permit and in particular the chance of obtaining B-permit (and not L). This can be crucial later on, when you apply for C-permit and for citizenship.

2. If your employer has little to no experience in obtaining Non-EU work permit, try to find/hire a reputable/solid law firm with a lot of expertise in this area.

Good luck with your application!
Hey Basl, thanks for the reply.

You seem knowledgeable on the topic. I have some other questions:
1. Do you have any information on other cantons and their stance towards issuing visa to non-EU students?
2. Did your friend come from a non-EU country, or did she finish UNI here and then applied for the visa?
3. Does your friend have any tips regarding the process or how did the law firm ensure that she would be accorded a visa?

sorry if I am being a bit too inquiring, but it is a really delicate process for me (and not only me I guess).

thank you

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Hey Basl, thanks for the reply.

You seem knowledgeable on the topic. I have some other questions:
1. Do you have any information on other cantons and their stance towards issuing visa to non-EU students?
2. Did your friend come from a non-EU country, or did she finish UNI here and then applied for the visa?
3. Does your friend have any tips regarding the process or how did the law firm ensure that she would be accorded a visa?

sorry if I am being a bit too inquiring, but it is a really delicate process for me (and not only me I guess).

thank you
Regaring your questions:

1. Unfortunately I do not have information on other cantons.

2. She had completed Master and PhD in Switzerland and already worked some time during her PhD studies. After defending the PhD thesis she found that position and got the permit.

3. I am afraid no, because she was in contact with the law firm only when they asked her to provide specific documents (like for example the confirmation from the University that she completed her studies). She even does not know the exact date when the firm submitted the application for permit.
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Regaring your questions:

1. Unfortunately I do not have information on other cantons.

2. She had completed Master and PhD in Switzerland and already worked some time during her PhD studies. After defending the PhD thesis she found that position and got the permit.

3. I am afraid no, because she was in contact with the law firm only when they asked her to provide specific documents (like for example the confirmation from the University that she completed her studies). She even does not know the exact date when the firm submitted the application for permit.
Hey Basl

Many thanks for the reply. I have one other question though. Do you know whether the company is obliged to provide evidence that they put the job advertisement online and found out that I was the most suitable for the job? I am asking because I found this job offer through my network and they had not posted and vacancy online

thanks in advance
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...Do you know whether the company is obliged to provide evidence that they put the job advertisement online and found out that I was the most suitable for the job? I am asking because I found this job offer through my network and they had not posted and vacancy online
The Swiss love documentation, so your employer is going to need a lot of it. Simply saying "we searched and couldn't find anyone" isn't going to be enough. They need to have proof they searched, and one way of proving is to show advertising in a variety of online sources. If there's no online listing, if they haven't conducted any other interviews, if they didn't post the job with the unemployment insurance, etc. then it will be a fairly easy NO for the authorities.

Here's a quote from Medea with the non-EU hiring criteria:

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... An ordinary permit will require your employer to make their case for why they can't find a Swiss/EU national to do the job before they'd be granted a permit for you. The non-EU hiring criteria is outlined here:

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html...
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Hey Basl

Many thanks for the reply. I have one other question though. Do you know whether the company is obliged to provide evidence that they put the job advertisement online and found out that I was the most suitable for the job? I am asking because I found this job offer through my network and they had not posted and vacancy online

thanks in advance
Hi Seno!

I think it may depend on many factors (e.g. how they interprete/understand "the job of high economic importance", how the fact that you have Swiss diploma will be taken into account, etc).

As a base scenario I would consider what 3Wishes said in his post (and what was the case with my application two years ago): the authorities will most likely ask the company to prove that they were looking extensively for this position, but couldn't find anyone better than you (in my situation this was fortunately indeed the case and therefore my process went smoothly). In extreme cases they may require your company to provide the list of all applications they received for this position and the list of all candidates they interviewed.

Regarding the economic importance/significance of the job I got the following interpretation two years ago:

It should be a highly innovative and specialized area where there is lack of labour force at all (e.g. nano technologies, innovative drugs development, robotics, scientific projects at Universities (post-docs) etc). In economy it in theory could be the case when a company is going to enter a large foreign market and you are a native speaker of that country language.

There are a lot of factors to consider. Therefore I suggested earlier to ask an experienced lawyer to structure the application process.

Wish you all the best with your application!

Just a little notice for you to be optimistic: when my company applied for a work permit two years ago the only opinion I heard (from "experts" inside the company and external "experts"), that I had almost no chance and should expect a rejection soon. The result: I got the permit during three weeks after the application (from the first attempt)!

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Re: Non-EU student post-graduate work permit

Sorry but I have another question I guess the last one. Do you remember how much time it took from the publishing of the job vacancy and the firm deciding to choose you as the best alternative?

Thank you
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Sorry but I have another question I guess the last one. Do you remember how much time it took from the publishing of the job vacancy and the firm deciding to choose you as the best alternative?

Thank you
I do not remember correctly, but I saw the vacancy approximately 3-4 months before I was given the offer.
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