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Permit B expiring Non-EU lost my job

Dear members,

I have a rather unpleasant situation. I am in Switzerland for a few years now and I own a home here and usually, my permit renewal happens in a day or so.
This time around I changed my job and took a position with one of those corporate evil firms and as they are entering a merger they decided to fire me based on the basis of a performance issue and not pay my bonus etc.
My permit is also about to expire in 2 months while my notice ends a month prior to that. Having received the form to extend permit I asked that if they can fill it as it only asks if I am currently employed by the company and they refused to do so as they are obviously the worst of humanity.
Given the situation, I assume it is highly unlikely that I find a position so quickly, is there any possibility of a short term extension in my situation? The other possible scenario is I guess is if I marry my partner ( we were planning it last year but came Corona and we have delayed it ) but as I meant to apply for C next year thought would effect my timeline etc.
Your help is much appriciated..
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Re: Permit B expiring Non-EU lost my job

Sorry to hear your difficult situation.

While I could not answer your question with 100% certainty, since you have a B permit, even though you are Non-EU, you should be entitled for the unemployment benefit and your permit will at least be renewed to cover at least during those period, no? Have you tried to reach RAV?
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Re: Permit B expiring Non-EU lost my job

In theory, I have been paying quite a lot to RAV for a while so I should receive benefit for a year or two. I have also heard that RAV can sponsor ur permit but I am yet to hear that it has actually happened the posts here also do not mention that RAV has actually helped to extend the permit rather than it is possible.
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Re: Permit B expiring Non-EU lost my job

I am in the same situation now, so how did it work out for you?
my employment ends in 09/2021 and my permit needs to be renewed beginning of 06/2021.
So I am not sure what my options , was thinking to post the same question but I saw your post.
Hope to hear back.
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Old 27.04.2021, 23:28
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Re: Permit B expiring Non-EU lost my job

If your permit renews in June then you can do the form usually 2-3 months before then... your employer should do it now as you are still employed with them to September ....



So I'm not sure what the problem is (unless they have refused to sign/stamp the form ?)....



And yes, if you have worked 12 in the past 24 months you are entitled to unemployment insurance, and you need to tell them as soon as your employment is likely to be terminated, and they will begin the enlistment process. You will need to apply to 10-12 jobs per month even when you are still employed.... don't wait until you finish your current job, as you can be penalised for failing to inform them..
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Re: Permit B expiring Non-EU lost my job

From my understanding it can be very difficult to get a B renewal if your last B was tied to the employer and you are no longer employed. I think there is the possibility to get a 6 month job searching L permit if you can prove financial means (without chomage/RAV), once you have the L permit you can get chomage. I have never seen or heard of any non-EU person being able to stay the duration of their chomage allowance without finding a new job.
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Ah, our Non-EU B permits (spouse, me as dependent spouse) are untied...so no problem with RAV.
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Re: Permit B expiring Non-EU lost my job

Your permit could be renewed at least until the end of your RAV period.


https://www.guidechomage.ch/articles...t-licenciement

pour les étrangers non titulaires d'un permis d'établissement, posséder une autorisation de séjour permettant d'exercer une activité lucrative.
Si l'autorisation a expiré, cette condition n'est plus remplie même si la personne séjourne encore en Suisse. Cependant une exception sera faite si l'étranger a demandé le renouvellement de son titre de séjour dans les délais et qu'il peut compter l'obtenir s'il trouve un emploi convenable. La caisse de chômage se renseigne à cet effet auprès des autorités cantonales et de la police des étrangers.

for foreigners who do not have a permit, they must have a residence permit allowing them to engage in gainful employment.
If the permit has expired, this condition is no longer met even if the person is still living in Switzerland. However, an exception will be made if the foreigner has applied for the renewal of his or her residence permit within the time limit and can expect to obtain it if he or she finds a suitable job. The unemployment fund will obtain information on this from the cantonal authorities and the Aliens Police.
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Re: Permit B expiring Non-EU lost my job

Sure, so the bolded sentence mentions a) that it is an exception b) it is based on the subjective assessment if they think you will be able to find a job or not.

In practice, I have seen many times people who have applied for permits without necessary funds being told that they can get a job seeking permit if they get a letter from RAV, but RAV saying they won't give a letter unless they have a valid permit to work.

They can make an exception, but often don't.
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Re: Permit B expiring Non-EU lost my job

The other problem is that if you have a tied permit, it expires the moment you are no longer employed, and NOT according to the expiration date!

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Sure, so the bolded sentence mentions a) that it is an exception b) it is based on the subjective assessment if they think you will be able to find a job or not.

In practice, I have seen many times people who have applied for permits without necessary funds being told that they can get a job seeking permit if they get a letter from RAV, but RAV saying they won't give a letter unless they have a valid permit to work.

They can make an exception, but often don't.
I would contact RAV asap, they are the ones with the answer.

Assessment might not be that subjective after all (they might take into account unemployment % related to a particular job, for instance.

If you have a particular skill set or if you are working in an area where Switzerland desperately needs skilled workers, is another that comes to mind).

Also, we do not know the OP situation re: personal funds.

EDIT: sorry, didn't realize original post and updated situations are different. If permit expires in June, then I agree that employer will have to complete the forms as you are employed until Sept. This gives you 5 months to find a new job.
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