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Travelling to Belgium without child's passport

Hello everyone, My husband and I are planning to travel to Belgium by car with the kids. My daughter who is 10 months old, does not yet have her passport but she does have her swiss permit. I was wondering if it would be a problem for us to cross the border? Maybe someone has an experience with this, I'll be very happy to know.
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Old 22.12.2020, 14:32
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Re: Travelling to Belgium without child's passport

You are asking for big trouble.

A permit is not a valid ID.

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Old 22.12.2020, 15:08
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Re: Travelling to Belgium without child's passport

These days you are bound to be checked and traveling with an infant without valid documents is obviously not a good idea....
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Re: Travelling to Belgium without child's passport

Here is some EU information. Apparently each country deals with children entering their territory in their own way:
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...s/index_en.htm

Here's some Swiss advice:
https://www.ch.ch/en/reisen-mit-fremden-kindern/

Here, albeit for Swiss citizens:
https://www.ch.ch/en/applying-passport-identity-card/
Children need their own passport or identity card to travel abroad. It is not possible to include a child on their parent’s identity papers.


Unless there is an extreme emergency (like war), I would not risk crossing one or more borders with a child who does not have her own passport, let alone with a 10-month-old and other child/ren, in winter, by car, over the Christmas season, during times when many countries have ever-changing restrictions with regard to Corona/Covid19, and thereby risk getting stuck at some border-crossing somewhere along the route, and having to turn back, possibly to risk getting stuck at the next border-post on the way back, and having to put up a struggle to get back into Switzerland at the end of the journey.

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Re: Travelling to Belgium without child's passport

If you risk doing this at all only with both parents present and take the birth certificate along as well as the Swiss permit.
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If you risk doing this at all only with both parents present and take the birth certificate along as well as the Swiss permit.
Yes, that's a good point. However, with all the changing Corona rules, and with the higher-than-ordinary possibility that during the stay abroad one parent tests positive and/or becomes ill (with Covid19), or indeed with something else, such parents may set out together, but still have a higher risk than usual that they will not be returning at the same time.

OP, would it be a possibility for you, as a family, that either you or your husband travel to Belgium to see whomever is important and in need, there, while the rest of you stay at home in Switzerland?
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Re: Travelling to Belgium without child's passport

Thank you all so much for your suggestions.
Actually, we intend to travel to meet my grand aunt who's sick. The doctors don't think she still has much time. We decided to go and spend Christmas with her so that she can meet my daughter also. Its all just a bit complicated now.
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Re: Travelling to Belgium without child's passport

Maybe you can get a fast-tracked passport for her... but I would check with the hospital/doctor/nursing home carefully to make sure they can even allow visitors...
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Re: Travelling to Belgium without child's passport

How did she get a Swiss permit without any ID? It's been a long time but I needed always ID to renew etc.

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Re: Travelling to Belgium without child's passport

Dear banna, as others have said there is a risk to travelling without a passport. In my humble opinion however, the risk is very low that you will be checked. We are in Schengen remember and the only border you are likely to be stopped at is the German border (even this is unlikely, again in my opinion). If you are stopped, border police will more likely be interested to know where you are going and reasons why rather than checking passports.

In you position, I think I would simply try it, with worst case being that you would get turned home again at the German border.
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Re: Travelling to Belgium without child's passport

Seeing that we are in Corona times, borders checks have definitely increased and chances are much higher that you are stopped......

Call the embassy and see if they can issue some Notpapiere.

Schengen is all well but these are different times. Good luck!
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How did she get a Swiss permit without any ID? It's been a long time but I needed always ID to renew etc.

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The baby wouldn’t need an ID to get a Swiss permit if they were born her, the birth certificate and ID for the parents is sufficient.
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Dear banna, as others have said there is a risk to travelling without a passport. In my humble opinion however, the risk is very low that you will be checked. We are in Schengen remember and the only border you are likely to be stopped at is the German border (even this is unlikely, again in my opinion). If you are stopped, border police will more likely be interested to know where you are going and reasons why rather than checking passports.

In you position, I think I would simply try it, with worst case being that you would get turned home again at the German border.

How often have you crossed borders with a child under a year old? A friend of mine used to get pulled over a few times a month when she crossed the French border and the concentration was on the child... for obvious reasons.
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How often have you crossed borders with a child under a year old? A friend of mine used to get pulled over a few times a month when she crossed the French border and the concentration was on the child... for obvious reasons.
At a conservative estimate I would put it in the low hundreds. In all that time I have been asked to provide a passport for my children once and that was entering Switzerland at Schaffhausen.

Looking at this purely from a risk reward perspective I think it is worth chancing it. Especially as the OP isn't breaking any Covid regulations which is what the authorities are most concerned about at the moment.
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Re: Travelling to Belgium without child's passport

I just want to say, I am very aware of the fact that it is a bad idea to travel accross the border without a passport. That was exactly the reason I made this post. However, I decided to take the risk. We traveled last night through France and there was actually no authority at the border to carry out any checks. So presently, I am in Belgium with my aunt and other family members and we are having a wonderful Christmas together. And this, was worth the risk. I wish you all as well a merry Christmas and a prosperous new year in advance.
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I just want to say, I am very aware of the fact that it is a bad idea to travel accross the border without a passport. That was exactly the reason I made this post. However, I decided to take the risk. We traveled last night through France and there was actually no authority at the border to carry out any checks. So presently, I am in Belgium with my aunt and other family members and we are having a wonderful Christmas together. And this, was worth the risk. I wish you all as well a merry Christmas and a prosperous new year in advance.
Thanks for the feedback! We also travelled across various borders and none were manned. Hope you and your loved ones had a merry Christmas!
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Re: Travelling to Belgium without child's passport

I am about 80. My daughter is 50. Her son is 7. She is a single mum. We all have Swiss passports. About 3 hears ago we landed at ZRH for a skiing holiday. Our German is feeble but we all speak native French (at least grandson and I do, and have since his birth). Immigration officer mainly wanted to know my relationship to the child. Perhaps he didn't like the idea of intergenerational marriage. Identification as "Papi" was enough for him. His passport is now expired and COVID-19 has limited both our travel and availability of non-emergency passport renewal. Pre-Brexit, pre-COVID I wouldn't have worried about that but that was then and this is now. Emergency passports can always be had (I actually was a substitute US vice consul once, in the 1970s). In this crisis I would try for that.
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