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Non EU: Advise on Visa Lausanne

Hi All,

I have received a permanent job offer from a large MNC in Lausanne region. The company has asked me to start the exit process from my current company at the earliest as they are confident that they would be able to secure a permit for me with no issues based on past applications and experience.

However, considering the difficulty of obtaining a work permit as a non EU, I would prefer to wait to receive the final visa despite the assurance from the company. The company has asked me to start the exit process now, as the team would like me to join asap post VISA grant. What would your advice be? I have mentioned some details below if it helps.

Highest Education: MBA (from a FT Top 30 non-swiss university)
Work Experience: 10 years
Offered Compensation: 200,000+ CHF (Gross Salary)
Work Domain: Product Management/ Operations Strategy
Status: Single

Thank you for your advice and help!
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Re: Non EU: Advise on Visa Lausanne

Whatever they may like/think never give up your current job until you have confirmation that a permit has been granted. There's ALWAYS a risk that it won't be, no matter how confident a company may be.
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Whatever they may like/think never give up your current job until you have confirmation that a permit has been granted. There's ALWAYS a risk that it won't be, no matter how confident a company may be.
Yes this. I am sure their contract says that it's dependant on getting your Visa. In today's time I would not risk it.
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Hi All,

I have received a permanent job offer from a large MNC in Lausanne region. The company has asked me to start the exit process from my current company at the earliest as they are confident that they would be able to secure a permit for me with no issues based on past applications and experience.

However, considering the difficulty of obtaining a work permit as a non EU, I would prefer to wait to receive the final visa despite the assurance from the company. The company has asked me to start the exit process now, as the team would like me to join asap post VISA grant. What would your advice be? I have mentioned some details below if it helps.

Highest Education: MBA (from a FT Top 30 non-swiss university)
Work Experience: 10 years
Offered Compensation: 200,000+ CHF (Gross Salary)
Work Domain: Product Management/ Operations Strategy
Status: Single

Thank you for your advice and help!
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Re: Non EU: Advise on Visa Lausanne

Advise you will begin ‘exit process’ as soon as you have confirmation of your Visa. In this country a three month notice is typically required for someone with a 10 year tenure, I couldn’t imagine it taking 3 months to leave Singapore.

If you can, give the company an estimate of how long the exit process will take.

The Swiss Embassy in SIN might be able to give you an idea of how long the Visa process will take.
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Re: Non EU: Advise on Visa Lausanne

Another voice to the chorus: Do not leave your current job until you have a contract and visa in hand.

(OH's company, also a large MNC, has had recent non-EU permit requests denied.)

You should not be the person taking all the risk here. If this company wants you badly enough they will wait. It is quite common in Switzerland with it's long contractual exits to wait 3 months for a new hire, even 6 months for an exec.

If the company continue to insist, putting you at risk, negotiate compensation in case of a permit denial.
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Re: Non EU: Advise on Visa Lausanne

Absolutely same advice as Meloncollie. Don't give up anything until the visa is approved. This will take maximum 3 months from the time that they properly submit all the documentation, in the correct way....



Ask them to inform you when the paperwork/dossier is accepted by the migration authorities. That is when the 3 month process begins...


Did the offer a relocation package to cover your costs ? And a temporary apartment for 3-6 months whilst you find suitable accommodation ?



For that salary, you can certainly afford to pay someone in Singapore to tidy up your current housing and send your stuff to Switzerland by air freight, and that will take just a few days to organise...



You may not need to wait for the 'final visa' but what you need, in writing, is confirmation from the authorities that your permit has been approved. Typically this comes through only 1-3 days before the visa information is transmitted electronically to the Swiss consulate where you are located.


What nationality/passport/s do you hold ? All Non-EU are not equal. Certainly some have special arrangeemtns that may speed up the process, but absolutely do not risk until you have the work permission.

There are two things you need: first is the work permit, second is the entry visa. They are two separate things. Once the work permit is granted, then the consulate can process the visa for you - as I said, within a few days



The work permit process has to go local, federal and then local again before it is issued. That's why it takes a while. At any point along that process, paperwork can be flagged as missing something and then the clock may be re-set whilst the employer has to fix the problem.


Your profile says 'single' so I assume it's just your permission needed.
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Old 23.12.2020, 12:28
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Re: Non EU: Advise on Visa Lausanne

As long as they're asking nicely, they can ask whatever they want. Just give a polite answer that X & Y ongoing projects need some months to be finished.

I wouldn't risk leaving one job only to find that because of the virus no entry visa or no flights.
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Re: Non EU: Advise on Visa Lausanne

Actually what nationality do you hold? If one of the following then read this:

"Nationals of the following states do not require a visa to enter Switzerland under any circumstances: Brunei, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand and Singapore.

However, the competent Swiss authority will issue a prior authorisation of a residence permit in the following cases:

a) for a stay of more than 90 days, or
b) a stay involving gainful employment:
lasting more than eight days, or
from the first day of work in the primary or auxiliary construction sectors, the hospitality sector, industrial or private cleaning services, surveillance and security services, itinerant sales and services or erotic services.

This prior authorisation of a residence permit is issued directly to the foreign national, or to a third party (employer), by the cantonal migration authority. The Swiss diplomatic or consular mission is not involved in this procedure."

https://www.eda.admin.ch/content/dam...witzerland.pdf

I think in that case you'd bypass the non-EU hiring criteria.
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Re: Non EU: Advise on Visa Lausanne

There are two separate parts: The permit and the visa. Unfortunately, people mix up the two and equate them for the same. They are not.

Normally I would say it is good enough if you know that the permit has been granted by the federal (SEM) and cantonal authorities. As soon as the permit (the right to live and work in Switzerland) is granted and reserved you should be informed that you can apply for the visa (the right to travel to and enter Switzerland) at the embassy/consulate at your place of residence.

Getting the visa is more or less a formality (unless you are a criminal or an other suspicious person) and should take less than a month after the permit was granted. The visa can only be issued if the permit was granted.

Once you arrived in Switzerland and have registered your place of residence they authorities will issue a physical permit card (after taking finger prints and photo). To add to the confusion the physical card, is also called "the permit". The physical card allows you to travel as a tourist in the Schengen area and also acts as a visa to return to Switzerland.

However, as far as I remember during the first lockdown visa processing was halted and entering of Switzerland was only possible in special cases (doctors, health care workers, but also IT professionals) during the first lock down period in spring.

If you can sort your affairs in your old country within a few weeks maybe even days it is the safest to wait till you have the visa stamp in the passport.

Btw. be aware about the probation period according your work contract during which you can be sacked very easily.
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I will disagree if everyone. Quit and move on. Make the devil happy. ;-)

Jokes apart: talk to the immigration services at Vaud , they are very efficient and as the other colleagues said: don’t trust on even your shadow

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Did the offer a relocation package to cover your costs ? And a temporary apartment for 3-6 months whilst you find suitable accommodation ?
What nationality/passport/s do you hold ? All Non-EU are not equal. Certainly some have special arrangeemtns that may speed up the process, but absolutely do not risk until you have the work permission.
Yes, relocation costs are fully covered by company. Indian passport, so no special arrangements to speed up the process.

This forum is truly amazing, and filled with genuinely helpful people. Thanks a ton everyone for your honest advice. I will wait till I get the permit. I will post an update when and if I get the permit.

Cheers!

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Re: Non EU: Advise on Visa Lausanne

An update if it helps someone who has applied and is waiting for the approval of work permit.

It took less than 10 days for my B work permit approval(canton + federal) to come in, and another 3 days for getting the D-visa stamp on my passport . Having read on the usual timelines as 4-6 weeks for work permit approval, I was quite surprised with the extremely quick turnaround, and that too during an ongoing pandemic.
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