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Old 03.01.2021, 23:44
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Re: A tricky situation about B-Permit

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I don't understand your point. Maybe I did not express myself well in the opening?

The Youtube thing has nothing to do with my employer/company. I work 40 hours for the company per week according to the contract. The rest of the time is mine and I have the right to decide what I do. Is sideline or side gig frown upon in Switzerland? Do companies in Switzerland state in the contract that the employees cannot have other income and can only work for the company?
It depends. A co-writer of Mad Heidi got fired last year from ZH police for working on the movie. https://www.thelocal.ch/20190405/zur...film-mad-heidi

So, what's the content? I guess tutorials on how to replace broken mobile phone screens are OK as long as you don't work in a mobile phone repair shop. Staged pranks or political commentary are a bit more interesting, ask your work colleagues.
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We are employees, not slaves.
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why not? companies want you not to use your energy earning money somewhere else because this could influence your efficiency and delivery for your company.
I know a lot of companies that say, you are not allowed to work the same / similar thing as "nebenjob".
If companies have the right to care about employees' free time for their sake of "efficiency and delivery", the employees should also be able to, for example:

-ask company for medical expense help when the employee broke his ankle in his free time, as this injury definitely affects the "efficiency and delivery"
-ask company for help when the employee has fight with his girlfriend, as this emotional turmoil affects "efficiency and delivery"

Clearly, these two example are not going to happen in reality. So I wanna ask: Are company and employee of equality? Or you think the society should be biased towards the company?

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Old 04.01.2021, 11:04
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If companies have the right to care about employees' free time for their sake of "efficiency and delivery", the employees should also be able to, for example:

-ask company for medical expense help when the employee broke his ankle in his free time, as this injury definitely affects the "efficiency and delivery"
-ask company for help when the employee has fight with his girlfriend, as this emotional turmoil affects "efficiency and delivery"

Clearly, these two example are not going to happen in reality. So I wanna ask: Are company and employee of equality? Or you think the society should be biased towards the company?
- It works just like that, you pay nothing when you break an ankle during a Sunday hike. It's called accident insurance (professional and non-professional coverage). On top of that, you get 100% of salary while recovering.

- Ha, a few months ago told my manager I already had a nice argument with my wife this morning, now you want a piece of me?......and we postponed the talk for next day Other work colleagues have shouted at me, and half a min later tell sorry, my kids sometimes drive me crazy The outcome is the same, you let the distressed person work in peace that day and come back to the topic next morning.
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Old 04.01.2021, 11:12
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I don't understand your point. Maybe I did not express myself well in the opening?

The Youtube thing has nothing to do with my employer/company. I work 40 hours for the company per week according to the contract. The rest of the time is mine and I have the right to decide what I do. Is sideline or side gig frown upon in Switzerland? Do companies in Switzerland state in the contract that the employees cannot have other income and can only work for the company?
It depends if there my be potential conflicts of interest.

So if your youtube films discuss topics that may be of strategic interest to your company and you inadvertently reveal things or drop hints that may be of interest to competitors, your employer has every reason to take an interest or even shut that down.

Even if everything you say is actually already in the public domain, your employer may still legitimately have reservations about you discussing it as you may be revealing the focus or thinking of your company.

If you sit up all night doing your research or tweaking your videos and come to the office too tired to function optimally, that may also be a legitimate conflict of interest.

But if you make a couple of rappen on the side uploading videos of funny cats that you don't put much effort into, I think nobody cares.
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Old 04.01.2021, 12:17
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Re: A tricky situation about B-Permit

Employer:
Some employers can be quite, how should I call it, particular? Some others are very relaxed even actively encourage free time activities. In what category a particular employer falls might already be clear during the interview or at least once you talk with your work collogues.

Also read and unterstand your contract, the by-laws, and internal company rules.

Default set by the law can be found, as so often, in the Code of Obligations
Art. 321a OR
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3 For the duration of the employment relationship the employee must not perform any paid work for third parties in breach of his duty of loyalty, in particular if such work is in competition with his employer.

4 For the duration of the employment relationship the employee must not exploit or reveal confidential information obtained while in the employer’s service, such as manufacturing or trade secrets; he remains bound by such duty of confidentiality even after the end of the employment relationship to the extent required to safeguard the employer’s legitimate interests
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1 The employer is entitled to issue general directives and specific instructions regarding the performance of the work and the conduct of employees in his business or household.

2 The employee must comply in good faith with the employer’s general directives and specific instructions.
Tax:
If you have to fill a full tax return (because your income is >120k) than things are simply. Just list the additional income and deduct the standard detection of at least CHF ~800. (or 20% up to CHF 2400)

https://www.monster.ch/de/karrierebe...flichten-35385

If you are purely on tax at source look up the rules at your cantons tax offices web site. The limit where you have to report side income is around CHF 1000 (for the whole year not per month !).

Note: if it is considered as a Hobby / Past time (Liebhaberei) the odd income is tax free. Also, AFAIK, no social security has to be paid in that case. Hobby or taxable gainful self employed activity is determined on a case by case basis. Even activities where the is a stead income can be considered as a hobby (See bee keepers https://anwaltspraxis.ch/steuern-ist...r-liebhaberei/ )

Social security:
Has to be paid starting from the first CHF of side income. However the minimum contribution is around CHF 500.
https://svazurich.ch/unsere-produkte...rwerbende.html
Because of this the relevant ordinance defines in Art. 19 AHVV that an annual income of less than is CHF 2300 is only volentuarely subject to social security contributions.

Permit:
If you do not have an open permit check with your cantons migration office.
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If companies have the right to care about employees' free time for their sake of "efficiency and delivery", the employees should also be able to, for example:

-ask company for medical expense help when the employee broke his ankle in his free time, as this injury definitely affects the "efficiency and delivery"
-ask company for help when the employee has fight with his girlfriend, as this emotional turmoil affects "efficiency and delivery"

Clearly, these two example are not going to happen in reality.
Wrong, the first one certainly works that way!

Probably the second as well, provided a doctor signs off on it.

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That sort of lifestyle clearly can and almost certainly does affect your work performance, so your employer would be right to take an interest.
This is so 20th century approach to employment relationships.

Again your professional and private life are separate things, you are not a company asset, just a mercenary selling X hours/week for money. Approach should be purely transactional, otherwise they will sooner or later try to eat you alive.

P.S. This doesn't exclude the possibility that you absolutely love your job and keen on what you are doing professionally. But above all, you should nevertheless see things as a mercenary.

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Re: A tricky situation about B-Permit

I was reading our company rules for another purpose and also found that we are forbidden from using holiday time to do paid work as company wants us to use that time to rest.

So check that too.
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This is so 20th century approach to employment relationships.

Again your professional and private life are separate things, you are not a company asset, just a mercenary selling X hours/week for money. Approach should be purely transactional, otherwise they will sooner or later try to eat you alive.

P.S. This doesn't exclude the possibility that you absolutely love your job and keen on what you are doing professionally. But above all, you should nevertheless see things as a mercenary.
The mercenary thing is a great analogy. Albeit, could mercenaries fight for 2 lords at the same time?
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The mercenary thing is a great analogy. Albeit, could mercenaries fight for 2 lords at the same time?
Mercenaries were paid to fight on one side full time, day and night. The modern contract is, on the other hand, about 40h/week, for most daytime.

And apart from the logistics problem, what would be the problem of serving 2 lords simultaneously, as long as they are not at war with each other?
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And apart from the logistics problem, what would be the problem of serving 2 lords simultaneously, as long as they are not at war with each other?
You're pleading with the wrong people. It's pointless daydreaming about if-only situations. We're trying to advise on 'what is' rather than 'what should be'. Again, without knowing what the OP's current job is, and what their YouTube plans actually are, it's impossible to be definitive.
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And apart from the logistics problem, what would be the problem of serving 2 lords simultaneously, as long as they are not at war with each other?
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You're pleading with the wrong people. It's pointless daydreaming about if-only situations. We're trying to advise on 'what is' rather than 'what should be'. Again, without knowing what the OP's current job is, and what their YouTube plans actually are, it's impossible to be definitive.
So, would be no problem. Thanks Pachyderm.
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