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A tricky situation about B-Permit

Happy New Year everyone!

I am a non-EU national working in Switzerland for about 1.5 years, with B Permit (permanent contract).

It is a closed permit so I can only work for the one employer in Switzerland. What if I post videos in Youtube and earn money out of it? I think this is tricky because I am officially not employed by Youtube, but as I earn money while I am in Switzerland, I have to pay tax for it. In this sense, should I consider myself violating B Permit regulation?
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Happy New Year everyone!

I am a non-EU national working in Switzerland for about 1.5 years, with B Permit (permanent contract).

It is a closed permit so I can only work for the one employer in Switzerland. What if I post videos in Youtube and earn money out of it? I think this is tricky because I am officially not employed by Youtube, but as I earn money while I am in Switzerland, I have to pay tax for it. In this sense, should I consider myself violating B Permit regulation?
Does your contract with your employer foresee you doing this?
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Re: A tricky situation about B-Permit

I think as long as this is a minor fraction of what you earn, it is considered a hobby income and hence neither regulated and nor taxed. If I remember correctly the threshold is somewhere around 1k/month.
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Old 01.01.2021, 22:31
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Re: A tricky situation about B-Permit

I would be less worried about whatever money you earn from that and more about how happy your employer may be if they know etc. Please check with them and your contract first.
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Old 01.01.2021, 22:39
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Re: A tricky situation about B-Permit

You may want to inquire with your Migrationsamt. My gut feel would be no problem as long as you declare the income, but I have no clue.

As for your actual employer - if you intend to produce the kind of crap my kids are watching on Youtube, they might indeed have issues. Which means you will have issues
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I would be less worried about whatever money you earn from that and more about how happy your employer may be if they know etc. Please check with them and your contract first.
I don't understand your point. Maybe I did not express myself well in the opening?

The Youtube thing has nothing to do with my employer/company. I work 40 hours for the company per week according to the contract. The rest of the time is mine and I have the right to decide what I do. Is sideline or side gig frown upon in Switzerland? Do companies in Switzerland state in the contract that the employees cannot have other income and can only work for the company?
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Old 01.01.2021, 22:45
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Do companies in Switzerland state in the contract that the employees cannot have other income and can only work for the company?
Some do, yes.
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You may want to inquire with your Migrationsamt. My gut feel would be no problem as long as you declare the income, but I have no clue.

As for your actual employer - if you intend to produce the kind of crap my kids are watching on Youtube, they might indeed have issues. Which means you will have issues
What parents on the earth would allow their kids to watch craps?

Is everything on Youtube crap? You don't watch Youtube?
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Old 01.01.2021, 22:49
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I don't understand your point. Maybe I did not express myself well in the opening?

The Youtube thing has nothing to do with my employer/company. I work 40 hours for the company per week according to the contract. The rest of the time is mine and I have the right to decide what I do. Is sideline or side gig frown upon in Switzerland? Do companies in Switzerland state in the contract that the employees cannot have other income and can only work for the company?
Hence the suggestion to have a look at your contract. How would we know? It is not unusual that you have to get consent for other forms of employment (whether this would be one is of course the very question). And in case you embarass yourself by doing some sort of Jackass Part 17 while being employed as a life insurance broker, this may get you into trouble.
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Some do, yes.
Crazy.

I feel sad for the employees working for these companies. I wonder how many companies have this kind of statement in the contract nowadays.
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Re: A tricky situation about B-Permit

You can start your research here:

https://www.monster.ch/de/karrierebe...flichten-35385
https://www.beobachter.ch/foren/ques...ersteuern.html
https://blog.tagesanzeiger.ch/geldbl...-zu-versteuern

use the keywords 'nebenjob' 'versteuern' etc. from these articles for your further research.

There must be some official documents regarding this on admin.ch

The most critical thing for the employer is liability. If your side earnings are associated with risk (i.e. you decide to be a part-time gigolo with associated high risk of getting HIV and/or COVID) they might ask you to pay part of the insurance or even reject your request.


My personal opinion: if you are not filming on employer's site or using their equipment or intellectual property, this doesn't put you at obvious risk and you plan to spend maybe not more than 5-10h per week on this, just go ahead. Maybe you figure it's not worth it and you give it up in a few weeks. If it suddenly turns out to be a big success make sure you come out immediately. A generic excuse of "it was just meant to be a small hobby not for money, but boy, that escalated quickly (c)" will work just fine.

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Hence the suggestion to have a look at your contract. How would we know? It is not unusual that you have to get consent for other forms of employment (whether this would be one is of course the very question). And in case you embarass yourself by doing some sort of Jackass Part 17 while being employed as a life insurance broker, this may get you into trouble.
I have mentioned the Youtube thing has nothing to do with my company. I won't do anything that has conflict with my company. Any mature person in the workplace understands this and should assume other people understand this as well.
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Old 01.01.2021, 23:02
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I have mentioned the Youtube thing has nothing to do with my company. I won't do anything that has conflict with my company. Any mature person in the workplace understands this and should assume other people understand this as well.
Easy. My advise was to check your contract and check with the immigration authority if you are concerned regarding your permit.
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You can start your research here:

https://www.monster.ch/de/karrierebe...flichten-35385
https://www.beobachter.ch/foren/ques...ersteuern.html
https://blog.tagesanzeiger.ch/geldbl...-zu-versteuern

use the keywords 'nebenjob' 'versteuern' etc. from these articles for your further research.

There must be some official documents regarding this on admin.ch

The most critical thing for the employer is liability. If your side earnings are associated with risk (i.e. you decide to be a part-time gigolo with associated high risk of getting HIV and/or COVID) they might ask you to pay part of the insurance or even reject your request.


My personal opinion: if you are not filming on employer's site or using their equipment and this doesn't put you at obvious risk and you plan to spend maybe not more than 5-10h per week on this, just go ahead. Maybe you figure it's not worth it and you give it up in a few weeks. If it suddenly turns out to be a big success make sure you come out immediately. A generic excuse of "it was just meant to be a small hobby not for money, but boy, that escalated quickly (c)" will work just fine.
Thanks for the info.

Yes, I certainly understand what you meant. And as I state many times, the Youtube thing has totally nothing to do with my company. I know it is hard to succeed in Youtube, like it is 0.5% chance for a channel to get 1 million subscriptions. Instead of thinking Youtube as a way for money, it can also function as a platform (just like blog or this forum) for expressing opinions and sharing information for other people.
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Crazy.

I feel sad for the employees working for these companies. I wonder how many companies have this kind of statement in the contract nowadays.
Only if your second job/second source of income is in the same line of work with the company you work for. If you're an accountant and want to make drawing lessons videos on the side you'd probably be allowed, provided you don't give your company a bad reputation. But I would really check out my contract first.
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...provided you don't give your company a bad reputation...
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Crazy.

I feel sad for the employees working for these companies. I wonder how many companies have this kind of statement in the contract nowadays.
Most, if not all.

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Crazy.

I feel sad for the employees working for these companies. I wonder how many companies have this kind of statement in the contract nowadays.
why not? companies want you not to use your energy earning money somewhere else because this could influence your efficiency and delivery for your company.
I know a lot of companies that say, you are not allowed to work the same / similar thing as "nebenjob".
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why not? companies want you not to use your energy earning money somewhere else because this could influence your efficiency and delivery for your company.
I know a lot of companies that say, you are not allowed to work the same / similar thing as "nebenjob".
We are employees, not slaves. If they are not happy with the efficiency and delivery they can find someone else. Strictly, my life choices (be it drinking like hell every night, sleeping 3h/day, starving myself to death with a diet, using all my spare time on making/watching youtube videos) is not their business as long as it doesn't directly endanger anyone.
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We are employees, not slaves. If they are not happy with the efficiency and delivery they can find someone else. Strictly, my life choices (be it drinking like hell every night, sleeping 3h/day, starving myself to death with a diet, using all my spare time on making/watching youtube videos) is not their business as long as it doesn't directly endanger anyone.
That sort of lifestyle clearly can and almost certainly does affect your work performance, so your employer would be right to take an interest.

To the OP -- as has been said it all depends on your employment contract. If you're doing something harmless on YouTube like promoting the benefits of yoga, they won't object. If you're being over-polemical, political, or generally outrageous, the employer may well consider it problematical, especially if you work in Sales or some other customer-facing role. Without providing any detail of the sort of job you do, and the sort of YouTube presence you're trying to create, it's really impossible to advise or comment in any detail.
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