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About Unemployment benefits and Visa/Permit

Hi Everyone,

I am doing PhD in Switzerland. It's been 3 and a half years here. I am living here with my wife. We both are from India. We both have a B-permit. A few months back my wife got a Job here (she has a dependent B-permit).

We both have the B-Permit valid till January 2022. But, I will finish my PhD in the next three months and I don't have any other Job after that yet. I'm thinking to apply for Unemployment benefits.

1) Does my VISA change from B-Permit to another type after completion of my PhD?
2) In case if my VISA changes from B-Permit to another type, Is my wife still eligible to work?
3) Where should I go for registering for Unemplyment benefits?

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Re: About Unemployment benefits and VISA

Possibly this linked article will be useful which concerns a non-EU citizen who completed his PhD at the University of Basel. Although he had paid into the unemployment insurance fund for five and one-half years, he was denied unemployment compensation because his permit "residence permit B, education with gainful employment" was restricted to a specific purpose and did not permit any other gainful employment:

https://www.20min.ch/story/er-verkla...d-188563983575


1. The authorities will likely give you a six-month non-EU L permit to search for a job.
2. Your wife's work/residence permit is likely dependend on yours.
3. This link should assist with next steps regarding applying for RAV unemployment compensation (English):
https://www.arbeitslos-was-tun.ch/en/wissen.htm


Good luck!
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1) Does my VISA change from B-Permit to another type after completion of my PhD?
2) In case if my VISA changes from B-Permit to another type, Is my wife still eligible to work?
3) Where should I go for registering for Unemplyment benefits?
1) If you finish everything (thesis public presentation, submitting thesis to library, pay all dues, etc.) the university department write a nice letter that for all intents and purposes you're a doc. The relationship with the uni is finished even if the semester has not ended. This letter is bittersweet because you finished (congrats!), but the B permit was linked to the university job (sorry :/). Even if the permit has Jan 2022 printed on it, since the relationship with the university ended, it's not valid anymore. Sorry, it doesn't change to other type, it just ends. Of course, the police is not knocking doors to see if the permit of students are valid. There's some flexibility, let's call it a grey zone, until Jan 22 where you have the opportunity to either get a job or leave.

2) No. We were exactly in the same situation and the end of my PhD. My wife had a job that could theoretically support us both, but her permit was family reunion. If she wanted to get the permit as main earner and I stay as family reunion while looking for a job.....we would need to leave CH first and then apply from outside.

3) It's the RAV office. But if you have energy and will left at the end of the PhD, apply them to get a job. Talk to the professors, maybe you can get 2-3 month job to do some pending work at the Uni, keep the B permit and meanwhile get the job.

PLAN B: if you saved during your PhD you can apply for a temporary permit (L type) to look for a job after completing the studies. You can work up to 15 hours a week on whatever you want. You only need to prove that you have enough savings in the bank for 6 months (rent, food, health insurance, etc).
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PLAN B: if you saved during your PhD you can apply for a temporary permit (L type) to look for a job after completing the studies. You can work up to 15 hours a week on whatever you want. You only need to prove that you have enough savings in the bank for 6 months (rent, food, health insurance, etc).
Really? Since the student permit is no longer valid and the job seeker is for job hunting I don't think he'd be allowed to work at all since the L permit doesn't allow that.

In any case his wife will have to stop working because the family reunification B would no longer be valid and the job seeker L wouldn't allow her to work either.
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Really? Since the student permit is no longer valid and the job seeker is for job hunting I don't think he'd be allowed to work at all since the L permit doesn't allow that.
Nov 2018 Info. If you have something more recent or accurate, please share:

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An amendment to the Foreign Nationals Act came into effect that allows them to remain in the country and look for a job for up to six months following their studies. The law puts these graduates on the same footing as their Swiss counterparts when applying for a job that is “of high academic or economic interest”External link. During that six-month period, graduates can work for up to 15 hours each week and must show they have housing and sufficient financial resources.
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/univers...-job-/44517148
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Ah, thanks Axa. I didn't know about that change.
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Possibly this linked article will be useful which concerns a non-EU citizen who completed his PhD at the University of Basel. Although he had paid into the unemployment insurance fund for five and one-half years, he was denied unemployment compensation because his permit "residence permit B, education with gainful employment" was restricted to a specific purpose and did not permit any other gainful employment:

https://www.20min.ch/story/er-verkla...d-188563983575


1. The authorities will likely give you a six-month non-EU L permit to search for a job.
2. Your wife's work/residence permit is likely dependend on yours.
3. This link should assist with next steps regarding applying for RAV unemployment compensation (English):
https://www.arbeitslos-was-tun.ch/en/wissen.htm


Good luck!
Thanks a lot for the information.
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1) If you finish everything (thesis public presentation, submitting thesis to library, pay all dues, etc.) the university department write a nice letter that for all intents and purposes you're a doc. The relationship with the uni is finished even if the semester has not ended. This letter is bittersweet because you finished (congrats!), but the B permit was linked to the university job (sorry :/). Even if the permit has Jan 2022 printed on it, since the relationship with the university ended, it's not valid anymore. Sorry, it doesn't change to other type, it just ends. Of course, the police is not knocking doors to see if the permit of students are valid. There's some flexibility, let's call it a grey zone, until Jan 22 where you have the opportunity to either get a job or leave.

2) No. We were exactly in the same situation and the end of my PhD. My wife had a job that could theoretically support us both, but her permit was family reunion. If she wanted to get the permit as main earner and I stay as family reunion while looking for a job.....we would need to leave CH first and then apply from outside.

3) It's the RAV office. But if you have energy and will left at the end of the PhD, apply them to get a job. Talk to the professors, maybe you can get 2-3 month job to do some pending work at the Uni, keep the B permit and meanwhile get the job.

PLAN B: if you saved during your PhD you can apply for a temporary permit (L type) to look for a job after completing the studies. You can work up to 15 hours a week on whatever you want. You only need to prove that you have enough savings in the bank for 6 months (rent, food, health insurance, etc).
Axa, Thanks a lot for the clear information. As you experienced this situation, may I know what you did? Did you go out of CH and then applied again?
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Student associations are great. I got supported in 2 very important ways.
A 2 day course on how to write a CV and how to negotiate contract terms. Of course, organized by the student association. 1 day where from the industry is invited to talk to students about the real work life. Ever heard how is not OK to discuss salaries on CH, not on these sessions. People were really helpful and shared with us stories about income, how to negotiate a better salary, etc So, look for the support of student associations.

Fnally, the next large job fair is in April 2021 https://www.polyefair.ch/
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Axa, Thanks a lot for the clear information. As you experienced this situation, may I know what you did? Did you go out of CH and then applied again?
No. Applied myself 100% to look for a job while my B permit was still valid. Sent 14-15 CVs after careful screening of offers (100+ of raw open positions). I signed a contract 4 months after the job search started, just before the B permit ended. Most importantly let go all the expectations of finding a meaningful job, with a nice environment, close to the place I was leaving, staying in the same language region.....all the important things. It was a jump into the unknown.

I took whatever gave me a B permit and paid well, only to realize a few months later than I liked the job, I liked the challenges, and I liked my team. I thank everyone in NE, VD and BE that did not call back after sending my CV, I'm better than before

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Nov 2018 Info. If you have something more recent or accurate, please share:

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/univers...-job-/44517148
What about the latter part of Medea's statement, quoted above? I thought the spouse couldn't continue to work while the PhD was searching for a job. At least that's what friends of ours went through in Kt Bern. She was working but was told to stop.
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No. Applied myself 100% to look for a job while my B permit was still valid. Sent 14-15 CVs after careful screening of offers (100+ of raw open positions). I signed a contract 4 months after the job search started, just before the B permit ended. Most importantly let go all the expectations of finding a meaningful job, with a nice environment, close to the place I was leaving, staying in the same language region.....all the important things. It was a jump into the unknown.

I took whatever gave me a B permit and paid well, only to realize a few months later than I liked the job, I liked the challenges, and I liked my team. I thank everyone in NE, VD and BE that did not call back after sending my CV, I'm better than before
Cool. very nice to hear that BTW, may I know which field are you into?
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