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Naturalization - When am I allowed to change commune (Gemeinde)?

Hello everyone,

I’m in the process of preparing my application for naturalization. All documents and certificates are ready and I’m hoping to apply in the coming week.
My question is, after applying through the Gemeinde, how long do I have to wait if I want to move and/or change Canton.
I currently live in Schlieren, Zürich. I am certain if I change Gemeinde, let alone Canton, I have to wait a minimum of 2-3 years again in order to be eligible to apply.
Any thoughts on when or how long I have to wait till I can change Gemeinde or Canton after applying to naturalization?

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Re: Naturalization - When am I allowed to change commune (Gemeinde)?

you will have to live there for at least another 12-18 months if you begin your application. At some point in the process you get an approval letter than includes the fact that you can now move if you want to (close to the end).

If you move out of Schlieren now, you in theory have to wait 2 years to apply, I believe (unless you move Kanton too and then it could be longer).
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Re: Naturalization - When am I allowed to change commune (Gemeinde)?

In my understanding, once you apply, you can freely change the commune (at least in VD). Once the communal part is closed, you can change canton as well.
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Re: Naturalization - When am I allowed to change commune (Gemeinde)?

Where I live, you have to remain in the gemeinde for five years after being granted citizenship - so check the local rules.

Edit: I may have misunderstood, given the responses below. but still check the local rules.

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Where I live, you have to remain in the gemeinde for five years after being granted citizenship - so check the local rules.
Can hardly believe that as the case. It would be against the federal law. This can only apply if you have also the citizenship of another Swiss commune.
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you will have to live there for at least another 12-18 months if you begin your application. At some point in the process you get an approval letter than includes the fact that you can now move if you want to (close to the end).
In canton Zurich it is after the commune has decided that you fulfil all of the the criteria but before the commune has actually granted the citizenship. In small communes the time gap between those two parts might be some minutes, in bigger cities a few days. See §12 and 15 of the Kantonale Bürgerrechtsverordnung
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Can hardly believe that as the case. It would be against the federal law.
A five year period in the commune applies in many places as a prerequisite for getting the citizenship, and I can well imagine that you wouldn't be able to leave the commune of your application while the application is still in progress; but like you I don't think they can tell you where to live once you've been granted citizenship.
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A five year period in the commune applies in many places as a prerequisite for getting the citizenship, and I can well imagine that you wouldn't be able to leave the commune of your application while the application is still in progress; but like you I don't think they can tell you where to live once you've been granted citizenship.
At least in Vaud you can (and I could) change the commune during the application processing (page 2, Art. 9).
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Can hardly believe that as the case. It would be against the federal law. This can only apply if you have also the citizenship of another Swiss commune.
Fair enough. Maybe it's an expectation rather than a law. But it seems reasonable to me to have some kind of restriction.

"Thanks for the citizenship - I'm going to move to Geneva now".
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Fair enough. Maybe it's an expectation rather than a law. But it seems reasonable to me to have some kind of restriction.

"Thanks for the citizenship - I'm going to move to Geneva now".
Do you have a link to this rule? Not saying I don’t believe it, I just find it shocking if true (a year maybe but FIVE??)
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Re: Naturalization - When am I allowed to change commune (Gemeinde)?

In our case (Kanton ZH), after we received the Gemeinde approval, our application was sent back to the Kanton.
We then received a letter from the Kanton confirming that they have our application AND a note in the letter exactly this "Ein Umzug innerhalb der Schweiz ist nun möglich"
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Do you have a link to this rule? Not saying I don’t believe it, I just find it shocking if true (a year maybe but FIVE??)
No. As I say, I may be misremembering - or I didn't understand the German!

But... I've asked my daughters, who got naturalised a few years ago, and they remember the same. It's under the new process as well. It doesn't affect us or them, because we've no plans to move - the chances we got it wrong seem high!

Funny thing though - one of the first things they voted on was to make the local rules even easier regarding documentation, which really benefits my wife and I, as we've recently applied ourselves.
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Re: Naturalization - When am I allowed to change commune (Gemeinde)?

Once you become a Swiss citizen you can live anywhere in the country you want. You do need to notify departure and arrival but you don’t need permission from either.

While you are in the process of applying for nationality the rules are different. Check with your local commune and Canton.

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I guess there is some sort of 'remote naturalisation' and you could request to be naturalised by the place you fulfil all the requirements even so you moved out - should that be the case . Somewhat I may be wrong as can't find anything about that ... was it just for adult children of Swiss citizens from abroad ?

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I guess there is some sort of 'remote naturalisation' and you could request to be naturalised by the place you fulfil all the requirements even so you moved out - should that be the case.
I don’t think so. Your commune d’origine is a very important principle here. It’s what ends up on your passport and other ID documents.

Perhaps starting all over again after moving, but it’s the commune that gives you nationality. Not the Canton nor the Confederation.
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Once you become a Swiss citizen you can live anywhere in the country you want. You do need to notify departure and arrival but you don’t need permission from either.

While you are in the process of applying for nationality the rules are different. Check with your local commune and Canton.
What do you mean by "notify departure and arrival '?

So should I go to read Pflichten part of the Bundesverfassung now ... ?
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What do you mean by "notify departure and arrival '?

So should I go to read Pflichten part of the Bundesverfassung now ... ?
I assume bowlie is referring to de-registering in the old municipality and registering in the new one.

If we think about ordinary naturalization, it sort of makes sense that a person shouldn't move until at least a certain stage of the naturalization process is completed. After all, the person is applying first to be a citizen of a municipality. The municipality becomes the place of origin.

Why would municipality A (where the initial application is filed) want to continue the application for someone who de-registers and leaves? Similarly, why should municipality B suddenly grant citizenship to someone who started the process elsewhere and wasn't "known" to the locals?

Based on some of the posts above, it sounds like OP needs to wait until municipality and canton have approved and the canton has sent a letter that explicitly says it's okay to move.
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As I mentioned above, this is exactly what happened in my case but it may be canton specific; I submitted my application in Lausanne, moved away half a year after that, and Lausanne commune continued to handle my case (and closed it successfully a couple of months ago). Immediately after the application is submitted you can move the commune within Vaud, and once the municipal part is over, you can change the canton as well.
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As I mentioned above, this is exactly what happened in my case but it may be canton specific; I submitted my application in Lausanne, moved away half a year after that, and Lausanne commune continued to handle my case (and closed it successfully a couple of months ago). Immediately after the application is submitted you can move the commune within Vaud, and once the municipal part is over, you can change the canton as well.
That wouldn't surprise me. Based on EF stories, the French-speaking cantons seem to be a tad more relaxed about naturalization than the German-speaking ones. If you want to naturalize in a tiny Swiss German village, good luck. Not sure about Ticino's rules...Tom??
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