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How does changing Kantons work

Can anyone please direct me to a website even if it’s German that explains the process of registering and de-registering at Kantons when moving home (if one exists)

I am just interesting in understanding more about the process. Apparently I must go to my current Kanton office and de-register and then go to new Kanton office and register.

I am also interested in learning more about Kanton offices. It seems like they handle everything and want your medical card, tax documents everything.
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Can anyone please direct me to a website even if it’s German that explains the process of registering and de-registering at Kantons when moving home (if one exists)

I am just interesting in understanding more about the process. Apparently I must go to my current Kanton office and de-register and then go to new Kanton office and register.

I am also interested in learning more about Kanton offices. It seems like they handle everything and want your medical card, tax documents everything.
That. Never was asked for anything else.

You go to the Gemeindehaus of the city you now live in, deregister, go to the Gemeinde you will move to and register. Depending on where you are, this has to be done within 8 or 14 days (I think)

That is, if you are EU. I think non EU have to apply for approval if they change Kantons (not city).
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Are you already living and registered here?

If so you’ve already been in and registered no? When you move, you just nip in and tell them you’re moving, then do the same process in your next town.
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Re: How does changing Kantons work

Are you British/ Non-EU/EFTA? Not married to a EU/EFTA person?

In that case you must get first permission from canton you intend to move to.
If you do not get this permission before you move you can get fined. If you move within the same canton you do not need prior permission.

Here all the details from the canton Zurich.
https://www.zh.ch/content/dam/zhweb/...C3%B6rigen.pdf

What documents you will need depends on the canton. But the process is like this:

- Find new apartment.
- Gather all the need document (one is the rental contract)
- Get canton permission.
- Move.
- Deregister at old commune.
- Register at new commune. Must be done within 14 days of the move, or you can get fined. (And aslo change address of driving license, get new plates for vehicles, at StVA/SAN and change of address all the other places.)

Deregistration and/or registration might also be done online: https://www.eumzug.swiss/eumzugngx/global

If you are an EU/EFTA (which includes Switzerland) person, or married to such a person you do not need permission prior to the move.
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Surely Brits who were here pre-brexit, keep their rights and can move cantons freely?
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Surely Brits who were here pre-brexit, keep their rights and can move cantons freely?
I do not know. Could be. Ask SEM and they might add it to their FAQ:
https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...it/uk/faq.html
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I do not know. Could be. Ask SEM and they might add it to their FAQ:
https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...it/uk/faq.html
Pre-Brexit resident Brits will now get their permits marked “In accordance with the CH-UK agreement of 25.02.2020”. So I assume this indicates they are treated differently to other Non-EU folks.
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Surely Brits who were here pre-brexit, keep their rights and can move cantons freely?

Yes, they do. Under the UK-CH citizens' rights agreement, any UK citizens registered here prior to 31 December 2020 keep their existing rights, including C permit after 5 years.
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That. Never was asked for anything else.

You go to the Gemeindehaus of the city you now live in, deregister, go to the Gemeinde you will move to and register. Depending on where you are, this has to be done within 8 or 14 days (I think)

That is, if you are EU. I think non EU have to apply for approval if they change Kantons (not city).
Quoting this for emphasis so you don't waste time going to the wrong place. You don't go to the cantonal office in most cases. You go to the municipal office. I believe Zurich has different offices for each Kreis, so you'd go to your Kreisburo.

Things might be different in the French or Italian-speaking areas, but this seems to be how it works in the German-speaking cantons.
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Yes, they do. Under the UK-CH citizens' rights agreement, any UK citizens registered here prior to 31 December 2020 keep their existing rights, including C permit after 5 years.
Nope.

The only people with a 'right' to a C permit (and still subject to certain conditions) are spouses of Swiss citizens and nationals of Fürstentum Liechtenstein, Belgien, Bundesrepublik Deutschland, Dänemark, Frankreich, Griechenland, Italien, Niederlande, Österreich, Portugal and Spanien.

Reducing the ordinary deadline of 10 years for a C permit to 5 for UK nationals is pure reciprocal practice and has nothing to do with the UK-CH citizens agreement.
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Nope.

The only people with a 'right' to a C permit (and still subject to certain conditions) are spouses of Swiss citizens and nationals of Fürstentum Liechtenstein, Belgien, Bundesrepublik Deutschland, Dänemark, Frankreich, Griechenland, Italien, Niederlande, Österreich, Portugal and Spanien.

Reducing the ordinary deadline of 10 years for a C permit to 5 for UK nationals is pure reciprocal practice and has nothing to do with the UK-CH citizens agreement.
Please don't spread incorrect information.

Article 14 section 1 of the UK-CH citizens' rights agreement reads:

ARTICLE 14
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1. For the purposes of determining eligibility for permanent residence status under national law, the Parties shall not require Swiss nationals or United Kingdom nationals who fall under Article 10(1)(a), (b) or (e), (2) or (3) of this Agreement to have resided legally for a continuous period of more than 5 years.

(Article 10 defines who is covered by the citizens' rights agreement)

In other words, there in black and white, Switzerland cannot impose a residence requirement in excess of 5 years for permanent residence (= C permit) for UK citizens covered by the agreement, i.e. those who were registered by 31 December 2020.
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Please don't spread incorrect information.

Article 14 section 1 of the UK-CH citizens' rights agreement reads:

ARTICLE 14
Permanent residence status
1. For the purposes of determining eligibility for permanent residence status under national law, the Parties shall not require Swiss nationals or United Kingdom nationals who fall under Article 10(1)(a), (b) or (e), (2) or (3) of this Agreement to have resided legally for a continuous period of more than 5 years.

(Article 10 defines who is covered by the citizens' rights agreement)

In other words, there in black and white, Switzerland cannot impose a residence requirement in excess of 5 years for permanent residence (= C permit) for UK citizens covered by the agreement, i.e. those who were registered by 31 December 2020.
You are missing the significant difference between practice and legally binding, from the 'national law' as per your quote, the Swiss AIG SEM guidelines:

0.2.1.3.2 Niederlassungsvereinbarungen

Die unter dem AuG geltende Praxis, die Niederlassungsbewilligung nach einem ordnungsgemässen und ununterbrochenen Aufenthalt von fünf Jahren zu erteilen, gilt auch unter dem AIG. Dazu gehören die folgenden Staaten: Andorra, Finnland, Irland, Island, Luxemburg, Monaco, Norwegen, San Marino, Schweden, Vatikan-Stadt und das Vereinigtes Königreich. Für Staatsangehörige dieser Staaten gelten jedoch die Integrationskriterien (inkl. Spracherfordernisse); siehe auch Ziffer 3.3.1.

3.5.2.1 Fristen
Ohne Rechtsanspruch kann nach fünf Jahren eine Niederlassungsbewilligung an folgende Staatsangehörige erteilt werden: Andorra, Finnland, Irland, Island, Luxemburg, Monaco, Norwegen, San Marino, Schweden, Vatikan-Stadt, Vereinigtes Königreich sowie Kanada und die Vereinigten Staaten von Amerika (siehe dazu auch Ziffer 0.2.1.3.2 f.)

0.2.1.3.2 Accords d'établissement
La pratique en vigueur sous le régime de l’ancienne loi, qui permettait l’octroi d’une autorisation d'établissement après un séjour régulier et ininterrompu de cinq ans, est maintenue sous la LEI pour les États suivants : Andorre, la Finlande, l’Irlande, l’Islande, le Luxembourg, Monaco, la Norvège, Saint Marin, la Suède, le Vatican et le Royaume-Uni. Les critères d’intégration, y compris les compétences linguistiques, sont applicables aux ressortissants de ces Etats (cf. également ch. 3.3.1).

3.5.2.1 Délais
Une autorisation d’établissement peut être délivrée après un séjour de cinq ans en Suisse aux ressortissants des pays suivants, sans pourtant être au bénéfice d’un droit à l’obtenir : Andorre, Canada, Finlande, Irlande, Islande, Luxembourg, Monaco, Norvège, San Marino, Suède, Cité du Vatican, Royaume-Uni et les Etats d’Unis d’Amérique (cf. à ce propos ch. 0.2.1.3.2).

In other words Switzerland is not legally bound to reduce the C permit deadline to 5 years for a UK citizen (or someone from Andorra, Finland, Ireland, Iceland, Luxembourg, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, Sweden and the Vatican for that matter), but Switzerland does so merely out of reciprocity.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/de/home...erbereich.html
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You are missing the significant difference between practice and legally binding, from the 'national law' as per your quote, the Swiss AIG SEM guidelines:

0.2.1.3.2 Niederlassungsvereinbarungen

Die unter dem AuG geltende Praxis, die Niederlassungsbewilligung nach einem ordnungsgemässen und ununterbrochenen Aufenthalt von fünf Jahren zu erteilen, gilt auch unter dem AIG. Dazu gehören die folgenden Staaten: Andorra, Finnland, Irland, Island, Luxemburg, Monaco, Norwegen, San Marino, Schweden, Vatikan-Stadt und das Vereinigtes Königreich. Für Staatsangehörige dieser Staaten gelten jedoch die Integrationskriterien (inkl. Spracherfordernisse); siehe auch Ziffer 3.3.1.

3.5.2.1 Fristen
Ohne Rechtsanspruch kann nach fünf Jahren eine Niederlassungsbewilligung an folgende Staatsangehörige erteilt werden: Andorra, Finnland, Irland, Island, Luxemburg, Monaco, Norwegen, San Marino, Schweden, Vatikan-Stadt, Vereinigtes Königreich sowie Kanada und die Vereinigten Staaten von Amerika (siehe dazu auch Ziffer 0.2.1.3.2 f.)
I think you may be missing the difference between UK citizens already registered in CH by 31 December 2020 who are covered by the citizens' rights agreement, and new arrivals who will not be.

Under the citizens' rights agreement, Switzerland cannot impose a longer residence period than 5 years for C permits for those covered by that agreement.

The updated law you quote indicates that new arrivals will be eligible (but indeed not entitled) to a C permit after 5 years, which is good news as it hadn't been clear before that the 10 year term would not apply. This in fact matches the situation that pertained before the bilateral agreements came into force in 2002.

Nevertheless I will clarify whether this is absolutely definitive.
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Under the citizens' rights agreement, Switzerland cannot impose a longer residence period than 5 years for C permits for those covered by that agreement.
All this agreement does is take the status quo (i.e. C permit for UK citizens after 5 years out of reciprocity and not a legally binding document of international law as per my posts above, among other things) and continues applying it for UK nationals in Switzerland prior to 31.12.2020. It does not add incremental rights.

In the unlikely event that Switzerland were to raise the C permit deadline period to 10 years for UK nationals, even to those enjoying FMOP rights pre-Brexit, the UK would also raise the ILR deadline for Swiss nationals to 10 years out of reciprocity and no agreement would be broken.

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The updated law you quote indicates that new arrivals will be eligible (but indeed not entitled) to a C permit after 5 years, which is good news as it hadn't been clear before that the 10 year term would not apply.
Edit: the 'updated law' you mention simply refers to the new AIG vs the old AuG (Swiss national laws) and neither make any distinction between new and old arrivals of UK citizens post Brexit.

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Please don't spread incorrect information.

Article 14 section 1 of the UK-CH citizens' rights agreement reads:
Please note that that agreement is not in force, as per its frontpage.

Besides, what the UK says is void. It may be correct, but the relevant source is admin.ch
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Please note that that agreement is not in force, as per its frontpage.

Besides, what the UK says is void. It may be correct, but the relevant source is admin.ch

Would you prefer this link from admin.ch? I refer you again to Article 14 section 1.

The agreement was signed on 25 February 2019 and came into force on 1 January 2021.

https://www.fdfa.admin.ch/dea/en/hom...en/brexit.html
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Would you prefer this link from admin.ch? I refer you again to Article 14 section 1.

The agreement was signed on 25 February 2019 and came into force on 1 January 2021.

https://www.fdfa.admin.ch/dea/en/hom...en/brexit.html
The agreement may be in force but it does not add a new 'right' to a C permit that was previously not there
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