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Language certificate for kids for permit C

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I have heard from a friend that now kids 12+ are also required to submit official language certificate in order to apply for permit C. My kids are in the international school, and French is not a language of command - that is probably the reason. In the laws, though, I have only a requirement for language certificate for 18+.

Did anyone have to submit this for their kids already?
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Re: Language certificate for kids for permit C

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In the laws, though, I have only a requirement for language certificate for 18+.
Can you point to the laws you mention?

Integration of kids aged 12 and over (including their command of language) will be assessed and lack thereof may also negatively impact the main applicant.

Art. 62 Octroi anticipé de l’autorisation d’établissement

2 L’examen de la demande d’octroi anticipé de l’autorisation d’établissement tient compte du degré d’intégration des membres de la famille âgés de plus de douze ans.

https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2007/759/fr#art_62

Will be hard to convince authorities you deserve an early C permit because you are meeting stricter integration requirements earlier than usual yet at the same time you are sending your kids to an international school...
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Re: Language certificate for kids for permit C

Thank you, qwertz.
Yes, I was referring to the same article.
It says takes into account the degree of integration of family members 12+, but doesn't specifically demand language certificate B1/A1 (as i can interpret this).

My 12+ yo kid does know french for B1, but it is hard to get official certificate, as most are 16+
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Re: Language certificate for kids for permit C

The word 'integration' in the context of these laws means very specifically the below:

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Art. 58a Integration criteria
1 When assessing integration, the competent authority shall take the following criteria into account:
a. respect for public safety, security and order;
b. respect for the values of the Federal Constitution;
c. language skills; and
d. participation in working life or efforts to acquire an education.

2 Due account shall be taken of the situation of persons who because of disability or illness or other important personal circumstances are unable to meet or have difficulty meeting the integration criteria referred to in paragraph 1 letters c and d.

3 The Federal Council shall determine which language skills are required when granting or renewing a permit.
https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2007/758/en#art_58_a

Ánd for an early C permit, the way to attest this is by:

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1 L’octroi anticipé de l’autorisation d’établissement est soumis aux critères d’intégration définis à l’art. 58a, al. 1, LEI.103

1bis L’étranger est tenu de prouver qu’il possède des connaissances orales de la langue nationale parlée au lieu de domicile équivalant au moins au niveau B1 du cadre de référence et des compétences écrites du niveau A1 au minimum.
https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2007/759/fr#art_62

Without a language certificate, language command can be attested by the following:

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Art. 77d Compétences linguistiques et attestation des compétences linguistiques

1 Les connaissances d’une langue nationale sont réputées attestées lorsque l’étranger:

a. a cette langue nationale pour langue maternelle, à l’oral et à l’écrit;
b. a fréquenté l’école obligatoire dans cette langue nationale pendant au minimum trois ans;
c. a participé à une formation du degré secondaire II ou du degré tertiaire dispensée dans la langue nationale parlée au lieu de domicile, ou
d. dispose d’une attestation des compétences linguistiques confirmant qu’il possède les compétences requises dans cette langue nationale et reposant sur une procédure d’attestation conforme aux normes de qualité généralement reconnues en matière de tests linguistiques.
https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2007/759/fr#art_77_d
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Re: Language certificate for kids for permit C

It seems weird that kids will get C permit if they are not integrated language wise.

https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2007/758/fr (Art 43, maybe?)

Have you called your Commune to ask? Surely there must be others in the same situation, I guess (although it might not be that common to apply for a C permit while children go to an international school - it might be seen as "wanting to leave Switzerland at some point")
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Re: Language certificate for kids for permit C

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Thank you, qwertz.
Yes, I was referring to the same article.
It says takes into account the degree of integration of family members 12+, but doesn't specifically demand language certificate B1/A1 (as i can interpret this).

My 12+ yo kid does know french for B1, but it is hard to get official certificate, as most are 16+
http://www.delfdalf.fr/delf-junior-version.html
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