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Time of residency on the federal level

Hello! I would have a question regarding the time of residency being accounted for on the federal level.

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In general terms I understand that I have the following pathway to the Swiss nationality as an EU citizen,

- 5 years of residence on the temporary permit (type B)
- 5 years of residence on the permanent permit (type C)
- an application for the naturalization and awaiting time is about 2 years

There are also requirements concerning staying in a particular municipality and canton for X years in the last years of the permanent residency and other unrelated conditions as well.

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I wonder if Switzerland is tracking my stay in the federation in a centralized manner so I have no need to worry about it? If I change a few municipalities (say 6) before I become eligible to apply for the citizenship, will I have to do anything extra to proof my continuous stay in the country such as, for example, contacting municipalities one-by-one for a confirmation and relying on them having kept all records in order?
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Re: Time of residency on the federal level

They know. Don't worry about it.

The do know. Be afraid.





Have you looked at your permit? Mine all have my date of entry to Switzerland. Seriously - don't worry about it.
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Re: Time of residency on the federal level

Is there a requirement to have a C permit for 5 years?
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Is there a requirement to have a C permit for 5 years?
I'm actually not sure about this one, maybe not, it's the way I'm planning it if I choose or/and manage to stay here for longer. Perhaps 10 years spent on the temporary one could suffice for an EU/EFTA citizen as well.
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Is there a requirement to have a C permit for 5 years?
No. You need to hold a C permit when you apply. How long you have held it prior to application is irrelevant. Note that stay in CH with N or L permits are not counted towards the required residence period. Only 1/2 of years spent on F permit are counted towards the residency requirement.
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I wonder if Switzerland is tracking my stay in the federation in a centralized manner so I have no need to worry about it? If I change a few municipalities (say 6) before I become eligible to apply for the citizenship, will I have to do anything extra to proof my continuous stay in the country such as, for example, contacting municipalities one-by-one for a confirmation and relying on them having kept all records in order?
You will need to provide “Wohnsitzbestätigung“ from every commune you have lived in the last 10 years as part of the application folded.
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You will need to provide “Wohnsitzbestätigung“ from every commune you have lived in the last 10 years as part of the application folded.
So there is such a requirement, interesting, thank you, hopefully nothing normally gets lost in communal offices.
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Old 01.03.2021, 21:41
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Note that stay in CH with N or L permits are not counted towards the required residence period.
My time on Ls was counted. But that was facilitated, maybe that’s the difference.
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So there is such a requirement, interesting, thank you, hopefully nothing normally gets lost in communal offices.
If you can see the pic - these are docs Zurich city is asking, line 5 is the Wohnsitzbestätigung.
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My time on Ls was counted. But that was facilitated, maybe that’s the difference.
Not sure if it is a new requirement, but „ Aufenthalte mit N oder L Ausweis werden der Wohnsitzfrist nicht angerechnet.“ from https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/portal/...setzungen.html
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Not sure if it is a new requirement, but „ Aufenthalte mit N oder L Ausweis werden der Wohnsitzfrist nicht angerechnet.“ from https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/portal/...setzungen.html
It is "new". It applies to applications which were made after 1 January 2018.
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It is "new". It applies to applications which were made after 1 January 2018.
Only new for Normal naturalisation;

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...rdentlich.html

No change on permit rules for Facilitated;

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...rheiratet.html
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If you can see the pic - these are docs Zurich city is asking, line 5 is the Wohnsitzbestätigung.
Yes, I see, thank you, I haven't researched it well enough. I wonder why they would not track such info centrally on the federal level.
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Yes, I see, thank you, I haven't researched it well enough. I wonder why they would not track such info centrally on the federal level.
Because this is Switzerland, and the Cantons want to do everything themselves.

When you apply, you'll have to provide a Wohnsitzbestätigung from EVERY GEMEINDE you've ever lived in..... if you move a lot in those 10 years, it will get expensive.
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Re: Time of residency on the federal level

Not only Wohnsitzbestätigung, but all other documents - Confirmation from Tax authorities from all communes you lived in for the last 5 years, Betreibungsamt confirmation from all communes you lived in for the last 5 years and so on and so on. So it can get pricey.
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Only new for Normal naturalisation;

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...rdentlich.html

No change on permit rules for Facilitated;

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...rheiratet.html
Also for facilitated. See chapter 4, Section 412/1 of SEM handbook on citizenship
https://www.sem.admin.ch/dam/sem/de/...g20-kap4-d.pdf
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Not only Wohnsitzbestätigung, but all other documents - Confirmation from Tax authorities from all communes you lived in for the last 5 years, Betreibungsamt confirmation from all communes you lived in for the last 5 years and so on and so on. So it can get pricey.
WOW even other documents.

Hopefully, communes keep all records electronically?

Also, it makes me wonder what would happen if a commune joins another, or if a canton it belongs to becomes independent or merges with another. Such events are unlikely and thus those thoughts have no practical use, it's just funny to think about it.
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WOW even other documents.

Hopefully, communes keep all records electronically?

Also, it makes me wonder what would happen if a commune joins another, or if a canton it belongs to becomes independent or merges with another. Such events are unlikely and thus those thoughts have no practical use, it's just funny to think about it.

This is not relevant to your situation, but it reminded me of an article I read about the facilitated naturalization for third generation foreigners. It ended up being quite difficult, as they have to provide info on the stay of not only their parents but also their grandparents (in some cases including school certificates, which can end up being close to impossible to source).



So in practice normal naturalization might end up being the easier process for them. The actual requirements go against the spirit of the law that was passed and I think there was some discussion about simplifying them, but I haven't read anything about it recently.
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This is not relevant to your situation, but it reminded me of an article I read about the facilitated naturalization for third generation foreigners. It ended up being quite difficult, as they have to provide info on the stay of not only their parents but also their grandparents (in some cases including school certificates, which can end up being close to impossible to source).



So in practice normal naturalization might end up being the easier process for them. The actual requirements go against the spirit of the law that was passed and I think there was some discussion about simplifying them, but I haven't read anything about it recently.
Yes, it is not my situation, but that is indeed interesting, especially that a descendant may not always be able to get to know the exact timeline.

I'm curious if they've also ever considered to further reduce the number of residency years required for the standard EU/EFTA naturalization?

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I don't think an easier EU/EFTA naturalization was ever discussed. In any case, naturalization is a different process than residency and, at least formally, has nothing to do with original citizenship.
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