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Friend caught up in street crime. Will he be evicted?

My friend has a permit B and is married to a permit C holder. the permit C she has a steady job here and has been here for 10 years. My friend though got caught up in a crime, specifically he was caught stealing a bike. The way he tells it to me it was all a silly mistake and maybe he has what is called plausible deniability is it called?English isn't my first language sorry.

Anyway he asked me for advice because he think he might get kicked out of the country. I don't know! I told him this and maybe he needs a lawyer. I will pay for his lawyer but I'd rather get background information first tbh.

This is my first question/answer here in the English Exchange, so I hope that's ok. I have read it often though, especially items for sale haha.

Basically, is my friend in hot water?
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Maybe.

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Re: Friend caught up in street crime. Will he be evicted?

Doubt being caught red-handed with a stolen bike qualifies as a mistake or plausible deniability myself.
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My friend has a permit B and is married to a permit C holder. the permit C she has a steady job here and has been here for 10 years. My friend though got caught up in a crime, specifically he was caught stealing a bike. The way he tells it to me it was all a silly mistake and maybe he has what is called plausible deniability is it called?English isn't my first language sorry.

Anyway he asked me for advice because he think he might get kicked out of the country. I don't know! I told him this and maybe he needs a lawyer. I will pay for his lawyer but I'd rather get background information first tbh.

This is my first question/answer here in the English Exchange, so I hope that's ok. I have read it often though, especially items for sale haha.

Basically, is my friend in hot water?
Well, if he stole stole something and was caught then will be charged for stealing unless he can prove that was not his intention. If he gets a criminal record, then yes his permit renewal may be affected. If he doesn't get a criminal record and instead just gets a warning then it probably will be fine.

However what seems clear from your first post is that he has already told you he committed the crime and is now looking to make it seem like an innocent mistake.
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Yes sure! I know what you mean. I think I mentioned that for I'm not sure why. Assume he gets charged and everyone even his Mother thinks he's guilty.

Is it a serious enough crime?

By the way, what would be the punishment for a Swiss born. Would it be a fine or prison?

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Well, if he stole stole something and was caught then will be charged for stealing unless he can prove that was not his intention. If he gets a criminal record, then yes his permit renewal may be affected. If he doesn't get a criminal record and instead just gets a warning then it probably will be fine.

However what seems clear from your first post is that he has already told you he committed the crime and is now looking to make it seem like an innocent mistake.
Yes absolutely. Forget that bit I was just running over like we say. I'm happy to believe either scenario and just help him in any way I can.

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Re: Friend caught up in street crime. Will he be evicted?

It just depends on so many factors. And this this was a first offence- and if he has legal or illegal status here.
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Re: Friend caught up in street crime. Will he be evicted?

https://www.google.ch/amp/s/www.thel...eported/%3famp

I don’t think stealing a bike will warrant deportation
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Yes sure! I know what you mean. I think I mentioned that for I'm not sure why. Assume he gets charged and everyone even his Mother thinks he's guilty.

Is it a serious enough crime?

By the way, what would be the punishment for a Swiss born. Would it be a fine or prison?
In Switzerland (as in many Western countries) having a criminal record is not a good thing and can affect job applications and permit renewals and even applications for nationalization... but it's not like he murdered anyone and if it was a first offence and he has no other record then I doubt it would lead to any serious prison time. However, I am no legal expert and maybe he should consult a lawyer.
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I don’t think stealing a bike will warrant deportation
"25 percent of B and C permit holders were handed deportation orders"

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It just depends on so many factors. And this this was a first offence- and if he has legal or illegal status here.
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My friend has a permit B
Last I heard, B permit holders are legal here.

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"25 percent of B and C permit holders were handed deportation orders"

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“ Criminal convictions for theft and fraud, including social security fraud, were not included in the statistics”
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Re: Friend caught up in street crime. Will he be evicted?

I cant thank you all on the postcards but I will here. Also for that newspaper link. Yes probably it's a minor crime relative to the robberies and drug stuff.

By the way he's a legal permit B holder and it's this first offence.
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Anyway he asked me for advice because he think he might get kicked out of the country. I don't know! I told him this and maybe he needs a lawyer. I will pay for his lawyer but I'd rather get background information first tbh.
What he needs is a firm slap on his fingers and probably a hefty fine. He certainly does not need others to pay for getting him out of his mess.
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“ Criminal convictions for theft and fraud, including social security fraud, were not included in the statistics”
Does this mean that they might have been deported but were not included in the statitistics? or does it mean that they were not deported? Thank you.

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What he needs is a firm slap on his fingers and probably a hefty fine. He certainly does not need others to pay for getting him out of his mess.
You are right of course. A slap on the bum is fine, also a money charge. I guess I just want to help him about the potential deportation aspect. Anything that is not deportation, i'll pass over the police the hand slapper myself. Well maybe not. You know what I mean though I htink

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Re: Friend caught up in street crime. Will he be evicted?

We have an embarrassment of riches for the Friday thread, it seems. We even have leftovers from *last* Friday's thread.
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You are right of course. A slap on the bum is fine, also a money charge. I guess I just want to help him about the potential deportation aspect. Anything that is not deportation, i'll pass over the police the hand slapper myself. Well maybe not. You know what I mean though I htink
Of course, concealing an offence from the police makes you an accessory to the crime. You could even be perverting the course of justice, which in most countries is a pretty serious crime.
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Re: Friend caught up in street crime. Will he be evicted?

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Re: Friend caught up in street crime. Will he be evicted?

There are a number of EFers who have had their bikes stolen. Not only is it costly it is a huge inconvenience. Sorting it out costs time and money.

Nobody perpetrating such a crime should be punished with a slap on the bum. He needs to be punished in a way that lets him experience the anguish his victims experienced. Like making him walk 4km after midnight in the pouring rain.

Sorry no sympathy for your buddy.
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Re: Friend caught up in street crime. Will he be evicted?

The young man won't get the empathy here either. I meant above that he should get a slap on the bum like you said or on the hand and fined. I am not looking to get him off the charge, just really asking for opinions about being thrown out the country, which is he worried about. i wont give him empathy but I will help him where I can.
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Re: Friend caught up in street crime. Will he be evicted?

You say it was his first offence. Is that true, or is it the fist time he was caught?

He probably would not be expelled from Switzerland. But I certainly hope he learns his lessons.
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