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British national B permit in 2021(post brexit)

Hi All,

I am a British citizen currently working in London.
Couple of months back I applied for a senior level job for a company which is based out of Basel.
After months of interviews, last week I have received a draft offer letter from the future employer. It says that the offer is subject to getting a resident permit.
Since Jan 2021, UK nationals are considered as non EU nationals, just wondering if anyone has gone through the process of applying the B permit post brexit?

- Any ideas what are the current/normal timelines to get the B permit approval?
- UK has been given separate quotas for B and L permit for 2021. How likely it is that there might be any issue in getting the permit if they still have spare?
I will wait for the permit to be issued before I resign my current job.

Thanks in advance!
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Re: British national B permit in 2021(post brexit)

Itís not a question of having quotas left to spare but the employer justifying to the cantonal labor authority they did everything in their power to hire a Swiss/EU/EFTA national or someone already with a valid work permit but could not find one for the job
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Re: British national B permit in 2021(post brexit)

Welcome to the forum.

The non-EU hiring criteria for employers and potential employees is outlined here:

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html

And yes, don't resign from your current job until you hear that a permit has been approved for you.
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Itís not a question of having quotas left to spare but the employer justifying to the cantonal labor authority they did everything in their power to hire a Swiss/EU/EFTA national or someone already with a valid work permit but could not find one for the job
Thanks. I hope that the employer better put a decent justification to the related authorities , after 10 rounds of interviews..Fingers Crossed!!
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Re: British national B permit in 2021(post brexit)

There shouldn't really be any quota problems this early in the year, but as the others say, the employer still needs to prove why you and not an existing resident or CH/EU citizen. Most larger companies are very used to doing this, so I'd say if they want you, the chances are better then even, but there are no guarantees.
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Thanks 🙏..fingers crossed 🤞
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Re: British national B permit in 2021(post brexit)

There's also an FAQ here: https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...ml#-1340871680

But you probably already saw that since it seems to confirm everything you put in your first post.
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There shouldn't really be any quota problems this early in the year, but as the others say, the employer still needs to prove why you and not an existing resident or CH/EU citizen. Most larger companies are very used to doing this, so I'd say if they want you, the chances are better then even, but there are no guarantees.

I might be wrong, but I thought the yearly quota is split into 4 tranches of quarterly quotas.


Nevertheless, I am fairly sure the company know what they're doing if they've put in such an effort to recruit you (I was recruited as a non-EU hire, got a B permit without an issue).
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Hi All,

I am a British citizen currently working in London.
Couple of months back I applied for a senior level job for a company which is based out of Basel.
After months of interviews, last week I have received a draft offer letter from the future employer. It says that the offer is subject to getting a resident permit.
Since Jan 2021, UK nationals are considered as non EU nationals, just wondering if anyone has gone through the process of applying the B permit post brexit?

- Any ideas what are the current/normal timelines to get the B permit approval?
- UK has been given separate quotas for B and L permit for 2021. How likely it is that there might be any issue in getting the permit if they still have spare?
I will wait for the permit to be issued before I resign my current job.

Thanks in advance!
Regards
Not sure this works. Moved back here in 2018, had the same sentence in my contract. HR told me it is a formality (OK, I am EU so not sure how the UK situation is now), and I would get the permit here. Point is that if you move to Switzerland, you get the permit some time after registering in your municipality. Not sure you can get it before even moving here.
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Not sure this works. Moved back here in 2018, had the same sentence in my contract. HR told me it is a formality (OK, I am EU so not sure how the UK situation is now), and I would get the permit here. Point is that if you move to Switzerland, you get the permit some time after registering in your municipality. Not sure you can get it before even moving here.
Yes you can (and must) for non-EU, it is different.
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Point is that if you move to Switzerland, you get the permit some time after registering in your municipality. Not sure you can get it before even moving here.
I moved to CH in 2000, before the bilateral agreements. You don't apply for the actual physical permit until you are here, but the Migrationsamt issues an "assurance of permit" document which you (back then, and as non-EU) use to enter the country to live and submit in order to get the permit.
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I moved to CH in 2000, before the bilateral agreements. You don't apply for the actual physical permit until you are here, but the Migrationsamt issues an "assurance of permit" document which you (back then, and as non-EU) use to enter the country to live and submit in order to get the permit.

This is exactly right. On this assurance document, there is a code where you can figure out with a little sleuthing whether it'll be an L or a B.
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Re: British national B permit in 2021(post brexit)

I'm also in the same boat.

Offered and accepted a position with a swiss-based large multinational ($2.5B annual revenue). 3 interviews Jan/Feb/Mar 21, contract offered and accepted Week 2 March.

Employer is handling the non-EU B permit application process, I've been advised that it can take anywhere up to 8 weeks but employer is confident everything will be ok based on previous successful non-EU applications, I'm also taking a little bit of confidence in that they are familiar with the process (international workforce).

Good luck! I'll keep you updated with my process also.
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I'm also in the same boat.

Offered and accepted a position with a swiss-based large multinational ($2.5B annual revenue). 3 interviews Jan/Feb/Mar 21, contract offered and accepted Week 2 March.

Employer is handling the non-EU B permit application process, I've been advised that it can take anywhere up to 8 weeks but employer is confident everything will be ok based on previous successful non-EU applications, I'm also taking a little bit of confidence in that they are familiar with the process (international workforce).

Good luck! I'll keep you updated with my process also.
Congratulation UKPete. I formally accepted my job offer on Monday. I shared the relevant document for B permit processing. Interestingly, I was told by my employer that it will take 4 weeks for getting the permit approval. Lets see..I will keep you all posted..
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Congratulation UKPete. I formally accepted my job offer on Monday. I shared the relevant document for B permit processing. Interestingly, I was told by my employer that it will take 4 weeks for getting the permit approval. Lets see..I will keep you all posted..
Thankyou, I forgot to mention that I shared a copy of my passport and degree certificates (they already had my CV). Timeline so far:

Nov 2020 - Applied for job
Jan 2021 - 1st Interview (via Zoom)
Feb 2021 - 2nd interview, informed they want me to visit site and meet face to face, this isn't happen due to Coronavirus related restrictions, quarantine etc.
Feb 2021 - 3rd and final interview, informed they will be making an offer
Mar 16th 2021 - Contract received and signed. Passport and degree certificates submitted.

So, currently around 1.5 weeks in, but allowing for the employer to submit the application, more likely 1 week in. Fingers crossed.
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Re: British national B permit in 2021(post brexit)

I'm following this thread with a keen interest.

I recently received a job offer to work for a company in Geneva. Iím based in London at the moment, but I used to work for the company at their Geneva HQ a few years, before all of this Brexit stuff. Iím thrilled to come back to Switzerland, but Iím a bit concerned that Brexit could harm my application. My company have experience in dealing with applications for non-EU workers, but I'm a bit nervous. I don't know if the GE and CH authorities would approve my request. I'd be able to relax and enjoy the moment when the authorities approve my application!

I haven't hand in my notice yet. I reckon it's better to wait once the authorities grant me an entry visa. However, what's the rough timespan between the filing of an application and the permit decision. Also, how often do third-country nationals get their applications rejected?

My timeline:
December 2020: Job advert
Jan 2021: First interview via Zoom
Feb 2021: Second interview via Zoom
March 2021: Final interview with the CEO. Also, the verbal job offer.
April 2021: Written job offer and all that
TBC: Drinking a cold pint of Cardinal (preferably next to the lake) to celebrate the move!

Is it feasible that I'll be in Geneva by the start of June?

Oh, good luck. Also please update us!
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Re: British national B permit in 2021(post brexit)

Back in June 2013.
Offered relocation from uk to Zug.
HR had to show they had looked for a CH candidate for role.
Had a week in Zug in July to find apartment and sort out lease car.
Arrived from uk in September 2013.
Took rental agreement , contract of employment , passport, photos of myself and wife to Zug immigration office at 4pm.
In post next day at 8am a permit B for each of us.
They obviously processed my application on the spot or within hour of visit.

Worse part of experience was one person at desk and an Australian chap arguing with immigration person and holding things up.
He was moaning that having been in Switzerland for 7 years , returned to Oz for 2 years and now been back for 5 years should count as 10 years plus in Switzerland....
Could she make an exception for him ��
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Back in June 2013.
Offered relocation from uk to Zug.
HR had to show they had looked for a CH candidate for role.
Had a week in Zug in July to find apartment and sort out lease car.
Arrived from uk in September 2013.
Took rental agreement , contract of employment , passport, photos of myself and wife to Zug immigration office at 4pm.
In post next day at 8am a permit B for each of us.
They obviously processed my application on the spot or within hour of visit.

Worse part of experience was one person at desk and an Australian chap arguing with immigration person and holding things up.
He was moaning that having been in Switzerland for 7 years , returned to Oz for 2 years and now been back for 5 years should count as 10 years plus in Switzerland....
Could she make an exception for him ��
your experience is not relevant but thanks for the story of the Aussie
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Re: British national B permit in 2021(post brexit)

From what I've gathered core EU nationals have it easy, then it's UK, then Croatia (mine), then non EU.

Info from Croatian quota system is that B permits are gone in 15 minutes after they're released for that quarter of the year. However, there's enough L permits so getting them shouldn't be a problem.

UK has a much bigger quotas so I'd expect B permits don't vanish THAT fast for you.

But if employer is willing to do the process, I think you're pretty much safe that you'll get some permit, which one, B or L, that will depend on the current status.

I think part of the process is that employer has to have a job ad on the official portal for a month, and they have to prove that no candidates were better than you, so that's where 4 weeks are coming from, and maybe if company will just put the ad, plus some overhead you get to 8 weeks, but if company is constantly using non EU folks, I assume they have the ad running there in parallel so they can skip that part and just have 4 weeks of waiting for the actual administrative work is being done.
My opinion.

And if they went through so many steps, I doubt it will be hard for them to prove that you're the one

From what I've seen so far in the last few weeks since we started looking for a job, the hardest part is finding a company willing to go through the process, and everything else is just a bit of a waiting game, since you said it's a company with a bunch of experience of getting non EU folks.

Of course, don't quit the job and flat until you get the feedback that work permit will be approved
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Re: British national B permit in 2021(post brexit)

I think we are both in very similar situations, my employer mentioned that they had success with a non-EU permit very recently actually so I took some confidence from that, in addition, the company I'm going to work for is of Swiss origin, employing over 3000, many of which are international.

I can't remember exactly where I read it, but UK B permit quota is around 3000 for the year? I assume that is for new permits and not renewals of existing also? - can anyone confirm this?

Re. job posting on the official portal, is this a specific swiss government website or does it also include platforms such as the employers website, linkedin and glassdoor?

Anyway, exciting times and my fingers are crossed for everyone!
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