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Re: Outside of Switzerland

I don't have anything to add on the specifics of your question; but just wanted to express my empathy for your predicament with respect to the emotional aspects.

These things can be unpredictably hard on your sense of well being. I understand why you would want to stay with your family in the UK longer and hope that things work out for you now and upon your return. Glad you have a good friend back here you can rely on.

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Can you please stop spreading misinformation?

A B permit is NOT a short-term residence permit and it expires after six months outside of Switzerland, just like a C permit.
Just as an example:

https://www.ge.ch/annoncer-mon-depar...A9tablissement.

You are a foreigner
Your residence permit (B permit) or settlement permit (C permit) ends when you announce your departure. If you leave Switzerland without announcing your departure, your B or C permit automatically expires after six months. However, it is possible, under certain circumstances and on express request, to maintain your residence or settlement permit.
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Re: Outside of Switzerland

I can now confirm they definitely do check.


On entry yesterday, they scanned both my passport AND my B permit.


So as I said before, probably easiest not to risk being out too long.


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Re: Outside of Switzerland

Just to clarify a couple of the travel related rules from the UK.

If you have an essential reason to travel, this is ok. Working abroad, relocating, medical appointments etc. all qualify for this exemption. Its hit and miss as to if you'd even get asked anyway, I didn't last time I travelled.

You're likely to get asked to show your permit at check in for Swiss Air, last time I checked they wanted to see it before they would issue a boarding pass.

Not that you need to, but the last time I travelled I came in via Milan, no challenge from Italian immigration as to the reasons of my travel, other than an entry stamp! (no exit stamp when I left Basel though!).
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The U.K. is Non-EU now, so immigration will note them going in and out of the country for sure!
If you travel via car through France, there are no checks until you reach the eurotunnel or ferry terminals. Any checks done there are by the UK and France and its not likely they are sharing this with the Swiss...why would they. For 8 years of living here I have travelled back freely and regularly and only once been stopped for a quick glance in my car when re entering CH, never in France and 3 times for the drug test of my steering wheel in the UK.

It's obviously more controlled by plane and it will be noted.

By car, no one knows when you're here or not, except neighbours and seriously, do you think they care or are bothered?
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If you travel via car through France, there are no checks until you reach the eurotunnel or ferry terminals. Any checks done there are by the UK and France and its not likely they are sharing this with the Swiss...why would they. For 8 years of living here I have travelled back freely and regularly and only once been stopped for a quick glance in my car when re entering CH, never in France and 3 times for the drug test of my steering wheel in the UK.

It's obviously more controlled by plane and it will be noted.

By car, no one knows when you're here or not, except neighbours and seriously, do you think they care or are bothered?
Not exactly correct, on entry into France your details are entered into the Schengen data base. Swiss border authorities and Police can access that database.

To the OP either contact your commune or the Swiss Embassy to let them know that you are not leaving Switzerland but due to circumstances outside your control you are unable to return before a certain date. Better safe than sorry.
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If you travel via car through France, there are no checks until you reach the eurotunnel or ferry terminals. Any checks done there are by the UK and France and its not likely they are sharing this with the Swiss...why would they. For 8 years of living here I have travelled back freely and regularly and only once been stopped for a quick glance in my car when re entering CH, never in France and 3 times for the drug test of my steering wheel in the UK.

It's obviously more controlled by plane and it will be noted.

By car, no one knows when you're here or not, except neighbours and seriously, do you think they care or are bothered?
Or even simpler fly from Mulhouse!
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Re: Outside of Switzerland

Bottom line: if you stay out of the country for more than 6 months, you will lose your permit.

I wouldn't speculate on the exact number of days but would try to get back end of May, beg of June to be on the safe side.

As somebody already stated, there isn't a ban on flights from UK to Switzerland as you can fly in and out whenever you want as you are resident in CH.

I am baffled at users who say "you are going to be fine", "nobody will notice", etc... not only this is illegal, but if OP loses B permit, who's going to step up and give her another one?
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I can now confirm they definitely do check.


On entry yesterday, they scanned both my passport AND my B permit.


So as I said before, probably easiest not to risk being out too long.


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They always did.

If your pass had given you the impression they don't check, let me tell you one more time: they do.
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Or even simpler fly from Mulhouse!
Wouldn't work. As bowlie says, it is a common database that the Swiss can access.

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Not exactly correct, on entry into France your details are entered into the Schengen data base. Swiss border authorities and Police can access that database.
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Not exactly correct, on entry into France your details are entered into the Schengen data base. Swiss border authorities and Police can access that database.
Only if they are specifically looking for you maybe....and they have to have a reason, imagine going through a database like that with millions of movements a year.
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Only if they are specifically looking for you maybe....and they have to have a reason, imagine going through a database like that with millions of movements a year.
Uhm, the reason being finding persons who don't respect immigration laws?

Why are people bent on giving OP bad advice?
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From my workings out six months from the 19th December when I flew out from zurich airport is 19th June can I return on 18th June then I would get away with it?
That would probably work out, legally.

But what happens if your flight gets canceled? Or you fall seriously ill? Or another volcano awakens on Iceland and blocks air traffic across Europe like Eyjafjallajökull did 10 years ago?

While I realise that everybody's different, it seems quite risky to me to stay out of Switzerland until the very last moment. There's no longer Free Movement for the British, you no longer have essentially the right to residency if you have a job contract here.
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I can now confirm they definitely do check.


On entry yesterday, they scanned both my passport AND my B permit.


So as I said before, probably easiest not to risk being out too long.


Regards




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Hi Ian glad to hear you got back alright!

I’m stressing as I flew back to England on the 19th of December I plan to return 25th of May after the funeral however my permit is in Switzerland all this stress is getting me really upset I can not stop crying
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Re: Outside of Switzerland

Hi Marie


Sorry for your loss. These things are stressful enough at the best of times. But you will get over it.

You MUST get your friend to courier you your permit as soon as possible so you have it with you.

Before you travel you need a valid PCR fit to fly test or you won't be able to get on the plane. Here's a good site to find a centre near you in UK: https://www.covid19-testing.org/travel-testing

Don't forget to work the timings out correctly. Test must be done less than 72 hours before you arrive in Switzerland, but most test places say you must allow up to 48 hours to get the results. In reality, it's usually much faster, but you don't need the extra stress of waiting for the email while in the checkin queue. I did my test at a drive in place at 11am Friday, flying at 19.30 on Sunday. Results came through at 14.30 on Saturday.

You need to fill in a Leave to Leave the UK form online, and tick work as reason to travel. Link to the form is here: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavi...ational-travel

Plus you need to fill in the Swiss entry form: https://swissplf.admin.ch/formular

When I arrived in Zurich I needed to show Passport, Permit and Swiss form.

As said by someone else earlier, don't leave it to the last minute before returning. Flights can be cancelled... worse still, your test might come back positive landing you in quarantine for 14 days. So the 25th is a good choice.


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I’m stressing as I flew back to England on the 19th of December I plan to return 25th of May after the funeral however my permit is in Switzerland all this stress is getting me really upset I can not stop crying
Hi Maire,
Oh, sorry you're going through so much!

When everything feels like it's coming crashing down on you, it's easy to get so very upset that one can't stop crying. The hard part - but it is worth it - it to start to separate what you're feeling, which is valid for you, and the plain facts of the situation, as others have set out about your permit, and as Ian has now set out about what you'll need to travel back to Switzerland.

You're feeling stressed and upset and worried about your family and bereft and, from the sounds of it, also worried about your own health, and worried about getting back into Switzerland. That's understandable.

The very best thing you can do, with regard to your permit, is to get back into Switzerland before it expires. Every other scenario is going to cause you to have to take other, possibly circuituous routes, and any new application for a permit may or may not be granted. That'd only bring you more stress and, by the sounds of it, you just don't need more jangling of your nerves than you already have.

The facts, about getting back into Switzerland are:
  1. There is no ban by the UK for you to leave the UK. You are free to leave the UK.
  2. If you have a valid permit to live in Switzerland, the Swiss government will let you return. You are free to enter Switzerland.
  3. To be allowed to board a plane, you will need a test and the proper documentation.
  4. The duration of your stay abroad will almost certainly have been registered by an electronic system, as you departed Zurich airport to fly to the UK. Therefore, that departure date and the resultant ticking clock need to be taken seriously.

Therefore, it's best to work through the steps Ian has just set out - including, as he and Urs Max explained, planning in some lee-way in case you test positive, and a little more lee-way besides that, in case there are travel delays - and then work conservatively within those dates. It's best not to take any risks about this.

That you are grieving is understandable. And also that you are worried about your mother and/or she worried about you. That all makes emotional sense. And quite naturally, that can also make it harder to think purely rationally. However, planning to get back into Switzerland in good time will, most likely, prevent a lot more worry. I hope that your friend, who is now staying in your flat, will be able to prepare your flat for you, and possibly support you as you settle in here. Safe travels!
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Thank you for your reply.

Do you know how the testing works? Cheapest way to do it my English friend in CH said it costs 130 Sterling a time is this correct?

I would like to thank everyone for all the answers above.

I called me registry office in Birsfelden the guminde or how ever they spell it in German.

I explained to the lady I am out of Switzerland due to family reasons and someone passing away.

She took my details and said "yes Marie how can I help like she knew me"

She explained that on a B permit you have to call up if you are going to be away for over 3 months I said sorry I did not know this.

she laughed and said it's fine I asked her is my permit ok?

She responded with:
"your permit runs out in 2025 however you should of deregistered when do you return? I said late May and she said oh that's fine then.

what is deregistering mean? I don't want to deregister then not able to get my permit reinstated and losing my job in switzerland due to Brexit.





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Hi Maire,
Oh, sorry you're going through so much!

When everything feels like it's coming crashing down on you, it's easy to get so very upset that one can't stop crying. The hard part - but it is worth it - it to start to separate what you're feeling, which is valid for you, and the plain facts of the situation, as others have set out about your permit, and as Ian has now set out about what you'll need to travel back to Switzerland.

You're feeling stressed and upset and worried about your family and bereft and, from the sounds of it, also worried about your own health, and worried about getting back into Switzerland. That's understandable.

The very best thing you can do, with regard to your permit, is to get back into Switzerland before it expires. Every other scenario is going to cause you to have to take other, possibly circuituous routes, and any new application for a permit may or may not be granted. That'd only bring you more stress and, by the sounds of it, you just don't need more jangling of your nerves than you already have.

The facts, about getting back into Switzerland are:
  1. There is no ban by the UK for you to leave the UK. You are free to leave the UK.
  2. If you have a valid permit to live in Switzerland, the Swiss government will let you return. You are free to enter Switzerland.
  3. To be allowed to board a plane, you will need a test and the proper documentation.
  4. The duration of your stay abroad will almost certainly have been registered by an electronic system, as you departed Zurich airport to fly to the UK. Therefore, that departure date and the resultant ticking clock need to be taken seriously.

Therefore, it's best to work through the steps Ian has just set out - including, as he and Urs Max explained, planning in some lee-way in case you test positive, and a little more lee-way besides that, in case there are travel delays - and then work conservatively within those dates. It's best not to take any risks about this.

That you are grieving is understandable. And also that you are worried about your mother and/or she worried about you. That all makes emotional sense. And quite naturally, that can also make it harder to think purely rationally. However, planning to get back into Switzerland in good time will, most likely, prevent a lot more worry. I hope that your friend, who is now staying in your flat, will be able to prepare your flat for you, and possibly support you as you settle in here. Safe travels!

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Hi Marie

Sorry for your loss. These things are stressful enough at the best of times. But you will get over it.

You MUST get your friend to courier you your permit as soon as possible so you have it with you.

Before you travel you need a valid PCR fit to fly test or you won't be able to get on the plane. Here's a good site to find a centre near you in UK: https://www.covid19-testing.org/travel-testing

Don't forget to work the timings out correctly. Test must be done less than 72 hours before you arrive in Switzerland, but most test places say you must allow up to 48 hours to get the results. In reality, it's usually much faster, but you don't need the extra stress of waiting for the email while in the checkin queue. I did my test at a drive in place at 11am Friday, flying at 19.30 on Sunday. Results came through at 14.30 on Saturday.

You need to fill in a Leave to Leave the UK form online, and tick work as reason to travel. Link to the form is here: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavi...ational-travel

Plus you need to fill in the Swiss entry form: https://swissplf.admin.ch/formular

When I arrived in Zurich I needed to show Passport, Permit and Swiss form.

As said by someone else earlier, don't leave it to the last minute before returning. Flights can be cancelled... worse still, your test might come back positive landing you in quarantine for 14 days. So the 25th is a good choice.


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Ian, this was all super helpful information, thanks for sharing your experience and the links!

Interestingly, the 'leave the UK' link only applies to departures from England - as I'll be flying out of Edinburgh in 2 weeks, looks like I can skip that one!
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She explained that on a B permit you have to call up if you are going to be away for over 3 months I said sorry I did not know this.

she laughed and said it's fine I asked her is my permit ok?

She responded with:
"your permit runs out in 2025 however you should of deregistered when do you return? I said late May and she said oh that's fine then.

what is deregistering mean? I don't want to deregister then not able to get my permit reinstated and losing my job in switzerland due to Brexit.
As far as I understand you, you have every intention of staying in Switzerland, and you have a home here (even if you had to leave straight after you arrived) and are insured here, your job is here, and so you do live here. I think you definitely don't want to deregister.

Deregistering means your saying to the Swiss government: "Thanks, I no longer want to live in your country, and I'm leaving, definitely." Then, the Swiss authorities cancel your permit and you no longer live here. You will then be required to pay any outstanding tax you owe. You will have to cancel your medical insurance and you will no longer be insured (because - with the exception of old-age pensioners in some special situations - Swiss medical insurance is available only to those who are resident here). You will not automatically be able to end your rental contract; even though you'd be leaving, you will still have to give the proper notice and pay the rent until the contract ends.

No, I can't see that you should deregister. Of course, I can't be sure, but I surmise that the information you were given on the phone would be in line with the rules about not being out of the country too long.

Really, to be allowed to continue to live in Switzerland, you'd need to do all you can to preserve your permit, and you are right that getting it re-instated is by nom means guaranteed. Therefore, I agree with Urs Max and Ian that it would be wisest to plan to be back here a bit earlier than at least a week before the last possible day.
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Re: Outside of Switzerland

Good evening and thank you for your reply.

I spoke to the lady at the immigration office and she said you should tell the canton your leaving if it’s over 3 months what are your thoughts on this?

Secondly I flew to UK on December 19th so if I work this out correctly I can leave later June 10 roughly a week before are my workings out correct.

I am struggling with my loss Covid has hit my family hard my father went to hospital for a routine operation and never came out he caught Covid in an NHS hospital and died within 48 hours I never even got to say bye and honestly I wish was me who died.

We all have suffered Covid has ruined so many life’s.
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