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Re: Outside of Switzerland

"Do you know how the testing works? Cheapest way to do it my English friend in CH said it costs 130 Sterling a time is this correct?"

My test was done through a company found on the link I sent. Prices have come down recently. Don't be fooled by the cheapest... there was one for 79 quid but when you looked into it, in order to guarantee you'd get it in time to fly, the price shot up to 189.

I went with Expresstest who had a drive in location near me (Headingley Stadium, Leeds) and it was 89 quid. Several good reviews for them on this and other travel forums I frequent. Their target is by 10pm the day after your test, and 48 hours maximum. I got mine back in 15.5 hours.

I understand your pain. My birth mother died unexpectedly a few years back after a routine operation went wrong and it was very upsetting. But we all have to go sometime, and going out quite quickly in your prime, without knowing much about it, is not a bad option in the scheme of things. Don't be sad they are gone. Be glad they were here - and becaause of them, you are.

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The U.K. is Non-EU now, so immigration will note them going in and out of the country for sure!
I left pre brexit in December
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I left pre brexit in December

Assuming they weren't gearing up the checking before then (IIRC, they were), the down side of that is if there's no exit recorded, they can still work out you've not been in the country since end December - ergo you left before. Which date (if you get checked) they will ask you to prove.



Please, don't add to your stress by risking it.


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Assuming they weren't gearing up the checking before then (IIRC, they were), the down side of that is if there's no exit recorded, they can still work out you've not been in the country since end December - ergo you left before. Which date (if you get checked) they will ask you to prove.



Please, don't add to your stress by risking it.


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Something which confuses me is that the lady at the government office said it’s 3 months and you need to deregister and 6 for recindment of permit

I will be flying back on the 25th of May what actions can I take to ensure the safe guarding of my permit?

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Assuming they weren't gearing up the checking before then (IIRC, they were), the down side of that is if there's no exit recorded, they can still work out you've not been in the country since end December - ergo you left before. Which date (if you get checked) they will ask you to prove.



Please, don't add to your stress by risking it.


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Hi all!
I want to thank you for all your replies!

I have a funeral on the 1st of June.
I want to go however the permit situation is upsetting me.
This lady said this on Facebook:

“Well if you’re still registered and paying health insurance you are legally resident.
I know someone who was in a similar position and reenteered with no issues.
In case of issues in the UK or CH I would plead a corona exemption, all the authorities are allowing for this this year.
PS I don’t know what your reasons were but personally I feel loads safer in CH”

If I wish to fly back on the 1st or the first week of June would it effect me? Are the Swiss being lenient?

I’m very concerned because when I spoke to the lady at the town hall who manage all the residents in the canton I live in she said “when did you leave?”

I told her last week I lied.

And she said as longs as you are back within 3 months you will be fine otherwise we will deregister your permit.

I have a friend who can vouch for me and say I left in may if it came to that.

What should I do fly on the 25th or risk it?
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Re: Outside of Switzerland

I don't think you should risk it, not at all, and for these reasons:
  1. When you flew out, your passport may very well have been scanned and your exit from Switzerland registered. If so, they will know, when you return, how long you've been away.

  2. Besides that, it's one thing to not tell the proper truth when making a mere phone enquiry, but a much more strict matter to lie at immigration, let alone to recruit someone else to lie for you, as well. I wouldn't recommend that, any of it, at all, most certainly not. Especially since there is a risk, anyway, that they've registered your departure electronically (see Point 1. above), so that such a deception would show. Don't try that route, please. It won't turn out well, for you.

  3. As others have posted above, something could go wrong with your journey back to Switzerland. Your test result might come back positive, which would mean you wouldn't be able to fly immediately. Or a flight could be cancelled or postponed or redirected and delayed. It is wise to allow an extra bit of leeway.

  4. No, I doubt very much that there's any such thing as any kind of covid-leniency with regard to your return into Switzerland. Perhaps, for people who have been genuinely stranded some where far-flung with no physical way to return to Switzerland. This has, however not been your case since, as a resident here, you have always been able to return. You were not prevented from returning, except for a brief period when flights were hard to get, at all, but that phase has long passed.

  5. This is said gently, and aware of your loss and your shock and grief: your father has passed away, but you are still alive. I'd like to encourage you to grab hold of your life, which is now. If your father loved you, I would hope that he would not want you to risk forfeiting your entry into Switzerland and thereby potentially risk losing the job that is dependent upon your keeping your permit, and thereby your financial existence, to attend his funeral. You're allowed to be you, and to live now, and to be here to secure your own future. It may feel sad to leave your mother, now, but I would hope that she, too, would want you to enjoy the benefits of this opportunity that you have, now, but cannot automatically count on getting, again, later.

I doubt that, right now, you need the added pressure of having to suddenly face moving back to the UK to look for a new home and a new job in a difficult economy. I doubt that that's the kind of stress that would do you good, now. Therefore, I hope the above reasoning and good wishes help you to make a wise decision to return to Switzerland in good time, and in honesty.
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If I were you, I’d return to Switzerland ASAP, then nip back for a few days for the funeral. It’ll cost you in testing and flights, but better than losing your permit!
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Re: Outside of Switzerland

Marie, please, please, please take the advice offered here by virtually everyone who answered.

Yes, you *could* push it, by extending your stay until 2nd June - and we all understand why you would want to. But it's getting far too close for comfort; you have virtually no more time left after that. If your fit to fly test for a flight on 2nd comes back positive for Covid, you will be stuck in UK until 16th June.

Do NOT underestimate the power of bureaucracy in this country to keep records. If you went by plane, I guarantee they know when you left for the UK - and they definitely also know you have not come back into Schengen since. They will scan your permit on arrival and you will get asked to prove when you left, if it looks like you may have overstayed away. Your friend could face charges if they lie for you and with phone, bank and and credit card records it's really simple for the authorities to disprove the lie.

One thing I discovered very quickly here is that Switzerland is really a Police State (albeit one smothered in chocolate). Especially for us Auslanders.

Don't. Risk. It.


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Quote: "If I were you, I’d return to Switzerland ASAP, then nip back for a few days for the funeral. It’ll cost you in testing and flights, but better than losing your permit!"



Sadly, the UK quarantine rules on arrival from CH might put paid to that (otherwise valuable) strategy. Unless you travel to CH and back at the beginning of next week, Marie.



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One thing I discovered very quickly here is that Switzerland is really a Police State (albeit one smothered in chocolate). Especially for us Auslanders.
Slightly off topic: while I appreciate your advice to the OP, I do feel slightly triggered by your declaration of Switzerland as a chocolate smothered police state. In comparison with the UK, I would prefer to propose a description of reasonably inefficient vs. fully incompetent, perhaps even malicious bureaucracy. Not personally involved but recent stories regarding Windrush and Brexit would lead me to question why Britain has any positive contribution to make to “benevolent” police states in regard to immigration questions
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"Slightly off topic: while I appreciate your advice to the OP, I do feel slightly triggered by your declaration of Switzerland as a chocolate smothered police state. In comparison with the UK, I would prefer to propose a description of reasonably inefficient vs. fully incompetent, perhaps even malicious bureaucracy. Not personally involved but recent stories regarding Windrush and Brexit would lead me to question why Britain has any positive contribution to make to “benevolent” police states in regard to immigration questions"



Sadly, I do find some agreement with your opinion of the UK as well!


My view of CH vs UK is of course tainted only by my own experience. I never had to grow up in a proper Police state, like some of my colleagues (and no doubt, many on this forum). So I might be over or under dramatizing. YMMV.



I can guarantee we Brits are not Malicious in our Bureaucratic

incompetence. It just seems it, because to those with experience of reasonable inefficiency, Surely No One Could REALLY Be That Stupid?


Yes. Yes we can.



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PS: Anyway, shall we get back on topic?
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"Slightly off topic: while I appreciate your advice to the OP, I do feel slightly triggered by your declaration of Switzerland as a chocolate smothered police state. In comparison with the UK, I would prefer to propose a description of reasonably inefficient vs. fully incompetent, perhaps even malicious bureaucracy. Not personally involved but recent stories regarding Windrush and Brexit would lead me to question why Britain has any positive contribution to make to “benevolent” police states in regard to immigration questions"



Sadly, I do find some agreement with your opinion of the UK as well!


My view of CH vs UK is of course tainted only by my own experience. I never had to grow up in a proper Police state, like some of my colleagues (and no doubt, many on this forum). So I might be over or under dramatizing. YMMV.



I can guarantee we Brits are not Malicious in our Bureaucratic

incompetence. It just seems it, because to those with experience of reasonable inefficiency, Surely No One Could REALLY Be That Stupid?


Yes. Yes we can.



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PS: Anyway, shall we get back on topic?

Good afternoon everyone.

After listening to Ian’s advice I have decided to fly back on my scheduled flight on the 25th.

Is there anything I should do to help protect my residence in CH? I’m worried I might get asked difficult questions or get a letter once I arrive rescinding my permit.

Maybe I’m over thinking I obtained a lasser passer from the embassy in London
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Good afternoon everyone.

After listening to Ian’s advice I have decided to fly back on my scheduled flight on the 25th.

Is there anything I should do to help protect my residence in CH? I’m worried I might get asked difficult questions or get a letter once I arrive rescinding my permit.

Maybe I’m over thinking I obtained a lasser passer from the embassy in London
I guess you made your mind to hope you done the homework as well.
Good luck

""Gemäss Art. 61 Abs. 2 AIG erlischt die Niederlassungsbewilligung, wenn sich der Ausländer während mehr als sechs Monaten tatsächlich im Ausland aufhält. Stellt er vor Ablauf dieser Frist ein entsprechendes Begehren, so kann die Niederlassungs- bewilligung für längstens vier Jahre aufrechterhalten werden."
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"3.1. Verspätete Rückkehr in die Schweiz
Erfolgt die Rückkehr nach Ablauf von sechs Monaten, ohne dass der Ausländer um Aufrechterhaltung der Niederlassungsbewilligung ersucht hat, ist die Niederlas- sungsbewilligung erloschen. Die gleiche Rechtsfolge tritt ein, wenn die Rückkehr nach der bewilligten Dauer der Aufrechterhaltung erfolgt. Der Ausländer wird in die- sen Fällen als Neueinreisender betrachtet und untersteht grundsätzlich den allge- meinen Zulassungsbestimmungen des AIG und der VZAE. Art. 49 VZAE sind aber zu beachten.
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Apparently there is ways to extend validity C-permit , so I believe there may be special provisions for other permits too . Simple call to migrationsamt (not community) with explanation of situation you are in wouldn't hurt. Ask for extension due to covid and related family matters

Crossing Schengen borders is logged and shared with CH so you be 100% registered when entering Schengen

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I can now confirm they definitely do check.


On entry yesterday, they scanned both my passport AND my B permit.


So as I said before, probably easiest not to risk being out too long.


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Good evening everyone I was reading a post about permits from doro.
He stated in a previous post that as soon as you spend 3 months outside of ch your B is taken away.

I’m flying on may 25th what should i do to protect myself? I phoned the Guminde and they didn’t even know I was gone?

Would appreciate feed back.

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Good evening everyone I was reading a post about permits from doro.
He stated in a previous post that as soon as you spend 3 months outside of ch your B is taken away.

I’m flying on may 25th what should i do to protect myself? I phoned the Guminde and they didn’t even know I was gone?

Would appreciate feed back.

Thank you!
There is nothing further you can do at this point, except to return on the 25th as planned so that you're sure you are back before 6 months have passed.
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Re: Outside of Switzerland

Marie... we already answered this.


Medea said it in post 3 of this thread: "it's L permits that are max 3 months, B's and C's are max 6 months."

It's 6 months for a B.

I was away last time 4.5 months and I still have my B permit.


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There is nothing further you can do at this point, except to return on the 25th as planned so that you're sure you are back before 6 months have passed.
Hello thank you for your reply.

I have mental illness how can I keep calm I have recently lost a loved one through Covid and my mental state is a mess I don’t know how I can keep myself calm.

I am worried about losing my life I have in Switzerland 🥲
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Marie... we already answered this.


Medea said it in post 3 of this thread: "it's L permits that are max 3 months, B's and C's are max 6 months."

It's 6 months for a B.

I was away last time 4.5 months and I still have my B permit.


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Ian I’m sorry I was just worried and double checking I’m really sorry.
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Good evening everyone I was reading a post about permits from doro.
He stated in a previous post that as soon as you spend 3 months outside of ch your B is taken away.
I'm sorry, yes, I did post that, as I had misunderstood something I had read in the rules. I was wrong. But my error was subsequently corrected by others. It is 6 months not 3 months. I'm sorry if my post made things worse for you.
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I can now confirm they definitely do check.


On entry yesterday, they scanned both my passport AND my B permit.
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They also asked for my B-permit when I left CH last time, possibly because they knew it would be needed for me to re-enter. I'm pretty sure the permit status comes up on their system as soon as they scan the passport.
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