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Old 09.05.2021, 09:34
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Applying for C permit without a spouse

Hey everyone,

I'd like to apply for C permit (fast-track) earlier than my wife and wondering what are the consequences.

Background: married for > 7 years, were living in Canton of Schwyz for > 7 years (same Gemeinde the whole time), have a 2 year old child. We are all Ukrainians. I have a B permit tied to my employer, my wife has B permit that is attached to mine and is unemployed.

I recently got B1 German certification but she did not "master" the language yet. That's why she can't apply as of yet.

Here are the rules for the Canton of Schwyz: https://www.sz.ch/public/upload/asse...ewilligung.pdf

What is not clear is:
1) Regarding proof of integration. Is German B1 enough? Or one is required to show some community impact / volunteering?

2) "Bei der Prüfung wird zudem der Integrationsgrad aller Familienangehörigen berücksichtigt, die älter als zwölf Jahre sind." - does it mean that in order for me to get C permit, my wife also needs to pass German test? B1 or A2?
So there's no way for me personally to get a C permit without this?

3) If the answer to 2 is "you can still get it", does me getting a C permit has any negative effect on my wife applying for C later?
Say that in half a year she passes a german test, can she apply then right away?
Or she would fall now into another category (C-permit spouse) and her counter for 5-years starts anew?

4) When/if we both get C permits are they attached to one another? Or are now completely independent?

Any interesting/important detail I'm missing? Or should know?

Thanks for help!
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Old 09.05.2021, 17:06
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Re: Applying for C permit without a spouse

Not sure about Schwyz, but in ZH me and my wife did it separately about 3-4 years ago and it did not matter (we both work 100% though)

Once any parent gets it, your children below 12 will automatically get it. Your wife will still be on B permit dependent on you and perhaps still renewable yearly (until she gets C of-course)

But I also know about a case in ZH where the wife (non working) got her C permit independently of Husband

So I think its possible.
Going through the attached document for early applications (Non EU before 10 years) spoken level needed is B1, written is only A1, but since you already have B1 certification, you are good to go
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Re: Applying for C permit without a spouse

Thanks kvrbpl for sharing your experience.

I understand that I need B1, but my question #2 was about what are requirements for family members when I apply individually.
It says "Bei der Prüfung wird zudem der Integrationsgrad aller Familienangehörigen berücksichtigt, die älter als zwölf Jahre sind."
So even though I'm applying by myself, I still need some proof for my wife, no?
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Not sure about Schwyz, but in ZH me and my wife did it separately about 3-4 years ago and it did not matter (we both work 100% though)

Once any parent gets it, your children below 12 will automatically get it. Your wife will still be on B permit dependent on you and perhaps still renewable yearly (until she gets C of-course)

But I also know about a case in ZH where the wife (non working) got her C permit independently of Husband

So I think its possible.
Going through the attached document for early applications (Non EU before 10 years) spoken level needed is B1, written is only A1, but since you already have B1 certification, you are good to go
Thing is the rules changed as of 01.01.2020.

https://www.eda.admin.ch/dam/countri...achweis_EN.pdf
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Re: Applying for C permit without a spouse

My Ukrainian friend in ZH was asked to bring a proof of her husband's language skills, although he is a EU national who received his own C permit automatically. I also know other family where the wife didn't get the C permit with A2 certificate but her husband and kids did (like, A2 was not sufficient for her own permit but was sufficient as a proof of integration for the family for her husband's permit).

I'm afraid you might need a proof of integration for your wife anyway, but the requirements might be lower than for her own permit (say, A2 instead of B1). I suggest to call the gemeinde and ask them.

4) I checked my C permit card and I don't see any mention of dependency there. We are also both Ukrainian, I had a dependent B permit before and I don't work.

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Re: Applying for C permit without a spouse

@Medea Fleecestealer: could you please elaborate on what exactly you wanted to pointed out?

@TinyK: thanks for sharing your experience, very helpful, thanks a lot!
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Re: Applying for C permit without a spouse

Also, for the sake of C-permit, does "integration" requirement is limited to language certification?

Or do I require anything else? Community participation / volunteering / reference letters?
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Re: Applying for C permit without a spouse

As I understand it you and the child will get C. Your wife will remain on B until she's passed the language requirement. She won't be stopped from moving up in her own time when she passes. If you wait until the 10 year mark she only needs an A2.
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Thing is the rules changed as of 01.01.2020.

https://www.eda.admin.ch/dam/countri...achweis_EN.pdf
Don't *think* anything changes for the OP here with the new rules.
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Re: Applying for C permit without a spouse

from my c permit experience (profile : indian, canton : zh, ch life in years at the time of c permit application = 2xL permit + 8th B permit year, process = fast track, year of application = 2016 )

Answer to your questions
1. B1 is enough
2. I don't think that matters, because : I did not have to provide any information on my partner
3. As long as your wife fulfils the criteria of c permit - that should not be impacted.
4.I do not think c permits are connected unless your wife's permit is a dependent c permit. i do not have any experience on this though.

Very important note : as you are going to apply for 'fast track' processing : please explicitly mention in your application (in the comments section) : that you are applying for C permit for "early integration" (while filling the form in the Gemeinde : please ask them what wording to be used ). Otherwise immigration will reject your application right away without considering the exceptional flow. If you challenge them : they will say - exceptional application should be explicitly mentioned in the comment section. I learned this lesson the hard way.

all the best.
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Re: Applying for C permit without a spouse

To close the topic, here's the information I received from Amt für Migration in Schwyz.

"Bei einer vorzeitigen Erteilung der Niederlassung müssen alle Familienmitglieder die Voraussetzungen erfüllen. Dies hat der Bund so entschieden, damit alle Familienmitglieder sich für eine starke Integration einsetzen."

So basically I cannot apply by myself. Either all or noone.
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Re: Applying for C permit without a spouse

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To close the topic, here's the information I received from Amt für Migration in Schwyz.

"Bei einer vorzeitigen Erteilung der Niederlassung müssen alle Familienmitglieder die Voraussetzungen erfüllen. Dies hat der Bund so entschieden, damit alle Familienmitglieder sich für eine starke Integration einsetzen."

So basically I cannot apply by myself. Either all or noone.
This doesn't mean that you cannot apply by yourself. In Zurich, if you apply without your wife, they will only ask for an A2 certificate from your wife, not the B1.
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Re: Applying for C permit without a spouse

I think that's a difference between Zurich and Schwyz.
The only mentions of A2 in the rule for Schwyz is for "Ordentliche Erteilung" or "Erneute Erteilung nach Auslandaufenthalt".

So as for "die Voraussetzungen erfüllen" it can only be B1.

I did explicitly ask that question (A2 vs B1) in my email to the Amt für Migration, they did not answer this question specifically. But said that my understanding is correct and that sentence that I already posted.
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Re: Applying for C permit without a spouse

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I think that's a difference between Zurich and Schwyz.
The only mentions of A2 in the rule for Schwyz is for "Ordentliche Erteilung" or "Erneute Erteilung nach Auslandaufenthalt".

So as for "die Voraussetzungen erfüllen" it can only be B1.

I did explicitly ask that question (A2 vs B1) in my email to the Amt für Migration, they did not answer this question specifically. But said that my understanding is correct and that sentence that I already posted.

After seeing your post I checked the rules and only found open ended regulations so I sent them an e-mail. They told me that 'Ihre Ehegattin muss grundsätzlich die selben Voraussetzungen wie Sie erfüllen'. This made me think that they would also ask for B1. To make sure I gave them a call and asked them to clarify one more time. It turned out that they misunderstood my question. They clarified on the phone that only A2 certificate is necessary from my wife if I apply alone. (Also debt registry and criminal record).

The Voraussetzungen they mentioned was for my wife when she applies for the C permit in the future, which is not the case now. Acquiring C permit for a non-Eu is faster if your partner already has it. You still need to fullfil the Voraussetzungen however you can apply after 5 years and it is not considered as Vinta. That was the misunderstanding.

As you said, it might be different between Schwyz and Zurich.
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