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B permit for non-EU after 14 years living on CDL

Hi everyone,
I came to Geneva as student in 2007 I then joined the UN in 2008. It is now over 14 years since i got my first CDL with my first UN job. Unfortunately, i recently lost my job with the UN and decided to apply for a B permit. Before i sent my application i informed OCPM about my situation and asked their advice which was ''apply for a B permit''. In our motivation letter sent to OCP we also explained that in addition to wanting to continue to live in Switzerland, due to some medical reasons i would not be able to leave Switzerland anytime soon. My husband and i submitted our application for a B permit as per OCP's request on 20 Jan 2021.. up to today, we have not heard back from OCP. Do you think there might be a chance for us to get a B permit or it is impossible as everyone is telling us? thanks a lot
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Old 11.05.2021, 21:55
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Re: B permit for non-EU after 14 years living on CDL

No one can tell you for sure except the cantonal authorities. You say you "lost your job", which doesn't quite fit under the circumstances listed here:

https://www.eda.admin.ch/missions/mi...functions.html

The kinds of questions to ask your self are these: Are you integrated at all in terms of local activities or do you stay in your UN bubble? Do you speak a Swiss language? Can you support yourself without needing social assistance? Do you have qualifications that would help you find another job here? Why should the Swiss want you to stay here or what is the benefit to them? Think of it from the Swiss side, not from your own and you'll make better arguments in your application.

If you haven't heard anything yet, reach out to OCPM and ask if they need any additional information.
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Re: B permit for non-EU after 14 years living on CDL

I genuinely hope that this is possible for you.

Iím surprised by the OCP guidance. I do know that EU / non-EU CDL holders who retire with 5+ years service, they can request a C permit.

I also know that EU CDL holders can request an L if their employment ends.

And, disregarding family reunification, or C permit through marriage to a Swiss citizen, I havenít heard of a CDL holder receiving a permit B before.

I imagine the HR dept at UN, or a call to the Swiss Mission (DFAE) would bring clarity, welcome or otherwise.
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No one can tell you for sure except the cantonal authorities. You say you "lost your job", which doesn't quite fit under the circumstances listed here:

https://www.eda.admin.ch/missions/mi...functions.html

The kinds of questions to ask your self are these: Are you integrated at all in terms of local activities or do you stay in your UN bubble? Do you speak a Swiss language? Can you support yourself without needing social assistance? Do you have qualifications that would help you find another job here? Why should the Swiss want you to stay here or what is the benefit to them? Think of it from the Swiss side, not from your own and you'll make better arguments in your application.

If you haven't heard anything yet, reach out to OCPM and ask if they need any additional information.
Thanks so much for your reply. These are all important questions to ask. In fact, i am well integrated here. I speak French, i completed two masters degrees here in different Swiss universities. And of course i have provided proof of sufficient funds etc. In their email they asked that i share my CV too and i did.
It is true that losing my job is not included in their criteria and that us the dilemma and also i am 39 so not a retiree!! I heard they sometimes consider the long stay in their country but that is in very rare cases
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Re: B permit for non-EU after 14 years living on CDL

I am not aware of the rules regarding CDL. But just wondering : why you are not eligible for C permit ?

- You have lived in CH for > 10 years
- You speak a local language of the canton (assumption : you are applying for a permit in a French speaking canton - e.g. Geneva) and probably have a certificate from the recognised language certification companies.

Do you have any clear statement why you are not eligible for C permit ? Just because you currently do not have a job ?
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Re: B permit for non-EU after 14 years living on CDL

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I am not aware of the rules regarding CDL. But just wondering : why you are not eligible for C permit ?

- You have lived in CH for > 10 years
- You speak a local language of the canton (assumption : you are applying for a permit in a French speaking canton - e.g. Geneva) and probably have a certificate from the recognised language certification companies.

Do you have any clear statement why you are not eligible for C permit ? Just because you currently do not have a job ?
Employees of international organisations working in Switzerland have a special status. They are eligible for permits only under limited circumstances.
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I am not aware of the rules regarding CDL. But just wondering : why you are not eligible for C permit ?

- You have lived in CH for > 10 years
- You speak a local language of the canton (assumption : you are applying for a permit in a French speaking canton - e.g. Geneva) and probably have a certificate from the recognised language certification companies.

Do you have any clear statement why you are not eligible for C permit ? Just because you currently do not have a job ?
Hi,
The rules regarding CDL conditions have changed in Jan 2018. UN staff are no longer eligible to apply for any type of Swiss residency permits or nationality no matter how many years they have been living here. C permit can be authorized but only at the retirement age which us not my case as i am 39.
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I am not aware of the rules regarding CDL. But just wondering : why you are not eligible for C permit ?

- You have lived in CH for > 10 years
On a CDL, that is why.

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