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Old 21.07.2021, 21:42
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Completely wrong.
Swiss banks and other Swiss industries value their Swiss employees who fulfill their military duty.
If you are healthy and able and you try to get out of it, it will be very frowned upon.

Anyway the choice isn’t really yours.
If they consider you apt, you’ll be obliged to go, it’s a obligatory duty not a choice.
If you are 1/2 Swiss, I can’t imagine why your Swiss parent didn’t explain this to you before you moved here.
It’s common knowledge.
That’s why I explained that Swiss male children are born citzens and soldiers.

Note your own military wording «chain of command»
Thanks for the typical Swiss perspective.

Banks value whatever generates value for their clients or keeps their bank safe. They put up with military duty, but they certainly don't value it. From an HR perspective, it's an absolute nuisance to have a team member go missing, all so he can fulfil his military duties to one of the most peaceful nations on Earth.

My parents raised me American, not Swiss. I came here on a whim, because I heard the labor market is better for degree holders in Switzerland. And this proved to be true. "It's common knowledge" is condescending to someone who didn't grow up with Swiss culture or knowledge of the many rules they have here.

I'm just trying to learn as I go. Try to be more understanding
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Thanks for the typical Swiss perspective.

Banks value whatever generates value for their clients or keeps their bank safe. They put up with military duty, but they certainly don't value it. From an HR perspective, it's an absolute nuisance to have a team member go missing, all so he can fulfil his military duties to one of the most peaceful nations on Earth.

My parents raised me American, not Swiss. I came here on a whim, because I heard the labor market is better for degree holders in Switzerland. And this proved to be true. "It's common knowledge" is condescending to someone who didn't grow up with Swiss culture or knowledge of the many rules they have here.

I'm just trying to learn as I go. Try to be more understanding
ofc, having own military in a country that has consistent score of loosing major wars is just a farce
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Thanks for the typical Swiss perspective.

Banks value whatever generates value for their clients or keeps their bank safe. They put up with military duty, but they certainly don't value it. From an HR perspective, it's an absolute nuisance to have a team member go missing, all so he can fulfil his military duties to one of the most peaceful nations on Earth.

My parents raised me American, not Swiss. I came here on a whim, because I heard the labor market is better for degree holders in Switzerland. And this proved to be true. "It's common knowledge" is condescending to someone who didn't grow up with Swiss culture or knowledge of the many rules they have here.

I'm just trying to learn as I go. Try to be more understanding

I am Swiss Americsn too.
I don’t believe your Swiss parents could not know this as it is so very ingrained in Swiss culture.
As for condescending, you’ve returned to your origins, and with that return is a tacit understanding to accept the culture.

Anyway, as said before, here it’s a conscripted requirement, not an enlisted choice.

Hope it works out for you.
Careful about the attitude though, try not to value one country over the other.

And it’s silly to be argumentive with people who are trying to help you and explain how it is, not how you would like it to be.
Not a good idea to have that approach when you go there.
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Old 21.07.2021, 22:30
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ofc, having own military in a country that has consistent score of loosing major wars is just a farce
Which major wars did we lose?

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Perhaps the similar threads at the bottom of the page can help you.
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Old 21.07.2021, 23:34
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You mean he leaves her and even takes her drink with him?

That's....cold. Real cold.
Nah, the opposite. It's a Bond movie in the old tradition, there is some "taking" but not that type. And of course shameless drinking and smoking.

BTW, I chose that pic out of respect for the thread because it does feature a uniform.

And as for movie lore, cold... real cold and dark is another matter, which Bond would not dare get to: https://hollywoodsuite.ca/spy-who-ca...from-the-cold/

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Nah, the opposite. It's a Bond movie in the old tradition, there is some "taking" but not that type. And of course shameless drinking and smoking.

BTW, I chose that pic out of respect for the thread because it does feature a uniform.

And as for movie lore, cold... real cold and dark is another matter, which Bond would not dare get to: https://hollywoodsuite.ca/spy-who-ca...from-the-cold/

"Taking" - not that type made - made me lol . I like uniforms. Except astronaut suits, I guess.

Your movie sounds....interesting... uhmmm.

I hope OP can decide the way it suits him, without missing opportunities and with the least negative consequences. I know that there's been a talk about women having to go to the army, too. Commies had to train, no matter who, so...I would go for the military service, if I was a guy.
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I've been in Switzerland for 6 months now.

Actually took a German course a few years ago in Bern, but frankly I just don't like how the language sounds. It feels very unfriendly/cold, and it's relatively hard to express yourself when compared to English. Anytime I hear a woman speaking with a German accent, it's an immediate turn off

When I can muster up the motivation, I'll take a jab learning French. There's a tradition among the international school crowd that a true gentlemen has a mastery of both English and French. As an aside, French sounds a lot better than German, is more emotional/expressive, and would be very useful should I decide to visit France someday.

Til then I'll continue to exclusively use English
I can sympathize with your take on the German language. I too tended to scorn it at first – but I was a young teenager at the time. At your age, I fear your attitude is already set.

Question: did you attend an international school in the USA and if yes, why haven’t you already attained “true gentleman” status with fluent French? If not, what are your exceptional characteristics which elicit grudging tolerance by the IS crowd you seem to hang out with?
Anyway, it’s just another of your ambitious steps up the “chain of command”. Sure you’ll get to the top – lots of luck.
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Thanks for the typical Swiss perspective.

Banks value whatever generates value for their clients or keeps their bank safe. They put up with military duty, but they certainly don't value it. From an HR perspective, it's an absolute nuisance to have a team member go missing, all so he can fulfil his military duties to one of the most peaceful nations on Earth.

My parents raised me American, not Swiss. I came here on a whim, because I heard the labor market is better for degree holders in Switzerland. And this proved to be true. "It's common knowledge" is condescending to someone who didn't grow up with Swiss culture or knowledge of the many rules they have here.

I'm just trying to learn as I go. Try to be more understanding

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Re: Military Service for Dual Citizen who only speaks English

I can only answer Question 3)
Yes, you will have to do Zivilschuetz service. I did it, it was a lark. Lots of wine and cheese breaks, beer breaks, sit around time. Don't worry, it is fun.
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With this in mind, is it wiser to take the 3% tax or attempt to serve at poverty wages? I'm in a management position, and a huge gap like this would severely damage my ability to move up the chain of command.
Many employers top up salary to 100% during military service.
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Re: Military Service for Dual Citizen who only speaks English

to the OP... as an idea.. just turn up on the day..

your, understandable, lack of german (and you're not the only one to have your background) will present the army with the problem.. i imagine they'll put you to one side while they work out to do with you.. you never know.. you might get put somewhere interesting.. (intelligence service ?)
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Re: Military Service for Dual Citizen who only speaks English

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It is very unlikely that you will be excused from military service because you do not speak German. They will argue that you are a Swiss citizen living in Switzerland, so you must speak a national language.
As someone else said, Do not even think of not showing up, it will have grave consequences!
Most Swiss enjoy the army experience, and make lots of friends. It will be a quick immersion course in German for you too.
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Re: Military Service for Dual Citizen who only speaks English

Thinking of my Swiss grandson who lives in England, attends a French school (his French is better than his English) — and thinking back to my own education in Belgium and how in the War the officers spoke no Flemish: how would my grandson handle Swiss military service (we have a home in Valais)?

The challenge for him (he’s autistic but you wouldn’t know that without insight) is opportunity to learn German. He isn’t going to learn it from me: my Mum spoke fluent Aargauish and defective Hochdeutsch, which I studied for a bit in college. But in those days, not today, all educated Germanic Swiss spoke fluent French.

He’ll stay in England at least to age 11 (he’s 8) but after looking at the Web site of Autusme Valais I’m not convinced the SEN support matches the U.K. — even though funds in the U.K. are being sequestered lately.
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Re: Military Service for Dual Citizen who only speaks English

I think there will be little understanding or acceptance of your inability to speak German. My son, who is from Zürich and therefore speaks German, did his initial recruitment school in the French part of Switzerland and was expected to speak and understand French, as were all the recruits. He said that there was one young man there who only spoke English. I didn't get the impression that he got any special treatment. It is also a rule (although I am sure it is broken) that only Swiss national languages may be spoken. I have to say I found your comment that you came to Switzerland on a whim without understanding your responsibilities rather feeble. My sons have both had to interrupt their lives and their studies to fulfill their military duties. I am not quite sure why you feel you shouldn't have to.
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Re: Military Service for Dual Citizen who only speaks English

A huge number of Swiss citizens who spoke only Spanish migrated to Switzerland from Argentina and perhaps other Latin American countries in the 1990s and before and after. Switzerland has accommodated them. Just as the U.S. Army accommodates Puerto Rican soldiers, many of whom speak English quite poorly as the main language of instruction in PR is Spanish. The Treaty of Paris and the Organic Law of PR establish Spanish as an official language of the territory.

There are statistics, which I'm not going to search for today, on languages spoken by Swiss. In 1997 Hebdo published an article "Faut-il encore apprendre l’allemand?" http://uniset.ca/naty/hebdo_allemand.htm The conclusion was as I recall (having read the article years ago) that knowing English instead of the other national language(s) is worth 15% extra income over a lifetime. Which isn't to say that knowing the other Swiss languages isn't important too, especially if you aspire to the Civil Service. But the clerk at the civil registration desk in the Foreigners Bureau/Contrôle d'Habitat in my commune does not speak German. I had to translate for her: she didn't even know the meaning of 'Witwer'.

A major federal murder trial in PR of some terrorists who spoke no English apparently had an incompetent official interpreter. I recall that the federal judge, who was perfectly bilingual, had to correct the interpreter throughout the trial. The case went to appeal in the First Circuit in Boston where the judges were unlikely to speak Spanish but the interpreter was likely to be top notch. A quick search engine query labels the case as the FALN Terrorist Trial of 1981.

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