Hi

I'm curious to know, is it hard to find a job in the construction market, I'm talking like: brick laying, painter, floor and tile layer etc.
if you're in Geneva without a permit B.
Is it hard to find companies that hire non eu workers without a permit b in the construction field?
Just curious

Thank you

Could you clarify what you mean 'without a permit B'?

What is your status in Switzerland - do you have any of the various sorts of residence permits?

Basically impossible for them to be able to hire you unless you already have a Swiss residence permit. The criteria for hiring non-EU's is very strict.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...gehoerige.html

The sort of work you're looking for simply doesn't fall into that criteria so not possible to get a permit that way.

Nope, none of the residence permits. However, one of my friend's father has been living and working in the construction market in Lausanne for more than 15 years, without any permit. However, he now got a permit, since he didn't have any criminal records, paid all of his taxes regularly as well as he speaks French very well, it seems that they didn't have any other choice since he was contributing to the community without any law breaks or any threats to the society.
That's what made me ask this question in this forum as well. Like how hard it is to find ilegal work in the construction market anyways

You do realize that this is a public forum? You want to work illegally here and ask where to find that? I hope you are kidding.

And one illegality does not make the other one ok. Yikes.

Bull - you can’t be paying all your taxes (or any) if you are working illegally with no permit.

Well, there's a certainly people out there who make a profit by telling endearing stories about how easy is become rich in Switzerland if you only pay them some "fees" or agree to some "special conditions". So, do not trust anyone, take care!

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home.../kampagne.html

Also there are very strict rules concerning accident insurance, health and employment regulations here. If you should ever get a job offered here (which I sincerely doubt), then you can be sure that it is by no reputable or legal firm.

Ask your friend's father then

https://www.unia.swiss/working-in-sw...sans-papiers-1

Very hard as a "Jack of all trades"



Most tradesmen here are specialised in one area, brick laying, or painting or tiler

And have completed (and passed) a 3 year apprenticeship in that area e.g

Eidg. Fähigkeitszeugnis "Maurer/in EFZ"
Eidg. Fähigkeitszeugnis "Maler/in EFZ"
Eidg. Fähigkeitszeugnis “Plattenleger/in EFZ”

and speaking the local language where the sites are located.


English is almost worthless on building sites, try Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, Croatian, Bosnian.......

Thank you so much
Got my message

I don't understand how the children could go to school, without the parents rocking up at the gemeinde to register them - and then surely bringing themselves to the attention of the authorities and getting deported

Also, I get from reading that, how you could get health insurance without being registered - but health insurance then looks for your AHV number, what then? Also, how would you ever cancel it without a de-registration paper from your gemeinde.

Very confusing.

Google "sans papiers" and you can read all about it. It's quite regularised here, i.e. technically illegal, but tolerated. Issue a few years ago was how to treat 'sans papiers' apprentices when they went that route in schooling.

Bowlies post was really enlightening in this regard:

https://www.englishforum.ch/3457871-post10.html


I’m informed that you can also establish a good career here if you’ve done most of your education in the field in another country.

Certainly would't be tolerated where I am. Here the police deliver your work permit to your employer (think they had people faking or altering contracts at one point) to check you do actually work there, and the police have been known to be on the slopes checking the work permits of ski instructors. Not a chance you'd last long without papers.

Geneva is Geneva, c’est pas la même chose.

And they don’t search through your rubbish either.

Hi Bowlie, thank you for comfirming I'm not hearing lies from my friend's father.
However One more question you've been very helpful.
the Sans-Papiers, is it for eu people only, or does it counts for non eu as well.
Thank you so much one more time

Kind regards