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19.01.2023, 19:07
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| | Re: RAV migration doubts | Quote: | |  | | | there is not appoitment, he send me an email about the exact day i left the country to spain, which i did really flew to spain but he shouldnt know about that bec i didnt say nothing to him, so the whole point is if he really is able to discover that i flew with migration, otherwise ill tell him i left by car.
thanks | | | | | im from portugal so probably she was wrong about spain instead of portugal.
but this point got me thinking if she really knows about my flight to spain.
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19.01.2023, 19:08
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| | Re: RAV migration doubts | Quote: | |  | | | Maybe you told and you forgot? | | | | | Or they checked the OPs Social Media?
OP Did you post anything on Facebook?
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19.01.2023, 19:15
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| | Re: RAV migration doubts | Quote: | |  | | | Well you're stuffed. Even if you say you drove, they'd probably ask for fuel receipts. | | | | |
Do you collect all your fuel receipts, i pay for a lot of mine in cash.....
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19.01.2023, 19:31
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| | Re: RAV migration doubts | Quote: | |  | | | Do you collect all your fuel receipts, i pay for a lot of mine in cash..... | | | | | no social media, no tickets hahah did i need tickets if i was to drive down by car?
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19.01.2023, 19:55
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| | Re: RAV migration doubts | Quote: | |  | | | no social media, no tickets hahah did i need tickets if i was to drive down by car? | | | | | Be careful. if they are really trying to catch you out, they might ask for fuel receipts (for your return if you say you didn't keep them) or a hotel reservation (would you drive 19+ hours non-stop?
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19.01.2023, 20:17
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| | Re: RAV migration doubts
Why would they care where you went or did on your vacation days?
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19.01.2023, 20:21
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| | Re: RAV migration doubts | Quote: | |  | | | Why would they care where you went or did on your vacation days?
Tom | | | | | As one day wasn‘t a vacation day apparently?
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19.01.2023, 20:24
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| | Re: RAV migration doubts | Quote: | |  | | | Why would they care where you went or did on your vacation days?
Tom | | | | | Vacation days, apparently prolonged by a week (but no documentation for that either it seems  ) with a doctors certificate due to illness. Anyways, from the info given here the OP is probably in deep poop with the RAV  , and the info they are trying to hide for the days(s) that they are unable to account for, is independent of the destination at all …
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19.01.2023, 20:26
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| | Re: RAV migration doubts | Quote: | |  | | | Be careful. if they are really trying to catch you out, they might ask for fuel receipts (for your return if you say you didn't keep them) or a hotel reservation (would you drive 19+ hours non-stop? | | | | | there is no need to collect tickets, im not forced to, and they didnt ask before, the only thing that concerns me is if they can check with migration or de airline
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19.01.2023, 20:29
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| | Re: RAV migration doubts
Still, as long as you do your required applications, why should there be a problem?
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19.01.2023, 20:35
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| | Re: RAV migration doubts | Quote: | |  | | | As one day wasn‘t a vacation day apparently? | | | | | One can do on its RAV vacation day as they wish (as long it is not paid work). If it is paid work it would be very stupid to take vacation and not report it to RAV, as paid work extends the RAV payments.
On RAV days however ... and yes there is a single day which is not accounted for. Luckily not my problem. | Quote: | |  | | | no social media, no tickets hahah did i need tickets if i was to drive down by car? | | | | | There are the strangest coincidents. For what ever reason your RAV advisor might have seen you abroad, at the airport ...
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19.01.2023, 20:37
| | Re: RAV migration doubts | Quote: | |  | | | Still, as long as you do your required applications, why should there be a problem? 
Tom | | | | | Because you're not available for work.
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19.01.2023, 20:43
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| | Re: RAV migration doubts | Quote: | |  | | | there is no need to collect tickets, im not forced to, and they didnt ask before, the only thing that concerns me is if they can check with migration or de airline | | | | |
If you try and diddle them they will surely find out !
As soon as something doesn't quite add up and they start sniffing, they won't stop until the whole picture is crystal clear, they have the time and the resources to do this.
Either you provide sufficient proof of your activities for the dates requested or it will be considered you were not available for work and you'll get penalised with some days stopped.
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19.01.2023, 20:47
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| | Re: RAV migration doubts | Quote: | |  | | | Because you're not available for work. | | | | | Who said that they weren't?
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19.01.2023, 21:22
| | Re: RAV migration doubts | Quote: | |  | | | Who said that they weren't?
Tom | | | | | The OP, as he was in Spain. Yes, OP can apply for jobs but unlikely that RAV considers it as available for work. Also, just imagine an article in 20min.ch about unemployed people "working remotely from Spain" | The following 4 users would like to thank for this useful post: | | 
19.01.2023, 22:19
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| | Re: RAV migration doubts | Quote: | |  | | | Also, just imagine an article in 20min.ch about unemployed people "working remotely from Spain" | | | | | And that a well-known English speaking ex-pat site provided free advice on-line on how to achieve this regarding avoiding working-permit and possibly resident permit restrictions, claiming Swiss unemployment insurance benefit (RAV) constraints etc. without incurring any deductions from their Swiss unemployment insurance benefits when traveling abroad | This user would like to thank ZuriRollt for this useful post: | | 
19.01.2023, 23:03
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| | Re: RAV migration doubts | Quote: | |  | | | This is at the discretion of the doctor. Depending on the accident or illness, there may or may not be a medical reason why travel would be possible and permitted. | | | | | Many companies have a policy that if you're too sick to work (on medical leave), you're too sick to go on vacation. I can't see how a doctor could override that, even for burnout. When you're on RAV, you have to be available for work unless you have authorized time off. Sure, the doctor could say you need to travel for medical treatment.
Friday the 6th has been pointed out as a gap between sick leave and vacation. If OP left on or before the 6th, he wasn't truly available for work. But if we're honest, he wouldn't have found and started a job that exact gap day anyway, right??
OP might not have been trying to scam the system, but it will probably look like it to the RAV advisor. It looks a bit sketchy to have a planned vacation and conveniently be signed off on sick leave just before the vacation starts. The appearance, for better or for worse, is that the sick leave was to try and extend the allowed vacation.
In any other country I don't think anyone would have noticed the Friday gap and queried. But TIS.
Edit: I suggest being honest, even if it means a small penalty. Lies can yet you into worse trouble because you often have to make up more than one.
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19.01.2023, 23:21
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| | Re: RAV migration doubts
by the way guys, can someone from this forum check my email? im afraid that someone from rav could check this,
i didnt try to scam the system but just check a good price the days before of my holidays so i took it,
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20.01.2023, 00:14
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| | Re: RAV migration doubts | Quote: | |  | | | Hello, I would like to know, I had a vacation from the RAV for January 8, but I went on vacation to Spain on the 3rd to a city near my city in Portugal without saying anything to my adviser, because I had an indisposition to work for my doctor due to an accident until January 5, the fact is that my counselor asked me to see when exactly I had gone on vacation to Spain and if I had the flight tickets if I could send them to him, naturally I did not I said nothing that I was going to fly to Spain, I don't understand how he could know that I was flying to Spain or if he really confused me with Spanish instead of Portuguese and mistakenly asked for Spain instead of Portugal, what do you think? Can they have access to airline reports to see who has left the country within Europe? Because I didn't really cross any border, and even if you check in and show your billing letter at the entrance of the plane, I don't think there will be a record in immigration, what do you think? thank you | | | | | You were caught by a professional doing a random check, there is no magic involved and you were an obvious candidate to be controlled. You put in a doctors notes covering sickness to the Thursday and you had holidays booked from the Sunday. It does not take a genius to jump to the conclusion that you might have bunked off early and they were right.
The first thing you do when find yourself in a hole is to stop digging, do not start digging faster by compounding the lie and dragging others into the lie, who most likely will be expecting to lie as well. You are dealing with a professional who has heard all the BS stories before and will no dam well that the chances of you traveling by car etc are low, so they’ll want statements of the people you traveled etc…
The simplest approach is to supply the tickets etc as requested and when he comes back to you claim ignorance of the rules, misunderstanding etc and hope the penalty is not too great.
In the strictest since you are making a false claim to obtain benefits and anyone helping you do so could be the subject of a criminal complaint. And most people will not maintain the lie for you under pressure and you will then be in a bigger mess.
From now on you can expect to be controlled regularly so make sure you have your ducks in a row going forward.
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20.01.2023, 00:19
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| | Re: RAV migration doubts | Quote: | |  | | | i didnt try to scam the system but just check a good price the days before of my holidays so i took it,
thanks | | | | | Get real that is precisely what scamming the system is! You claimed sickness benefits and unemployment benefits while abroad on unauthorized holidays.
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