Depends.

Friday the 6th was a legal holiday here, so no need to be available to work.

Tom

you are guessing too much bro, ive been unable to work for almost 3 months, the day of my unavailable to work was coming to an end and my berater did know this, so i had planned my holidays with him month before, instead of wait till saturday i flew few days before, i only skipt 1 day which was on friday, thats it!

Then please explain your post here:

https://www.englishforum.ch/3458914-post19.html

“ there is not appoitment, he send me an email about the exact day i left the country to spain, which i did really flew to spain but he shouldnt know about that bec i didnt say nothing to him, so the whole point is if he really is able to discover that i flew with migration, otherwise ill tell him i left by car.”

Really, it’s January and it’s Zurich. But even in these dire times we have better things to be getting on with.

Bro.

obviously i made a mistake but you are threating me like im a criminal scaming the sistem, which is no fear, so pleas no dramas need it

By your own admission you scammed the system! And no I’m not guessing because I did fraud investigation for a living at one stage.

And I can tell you from experience in Kt. Bern, that they do take these things very seriously especially when it’s a foreigner.

They don’t care, but they do care when he actually went, because they know very well that chances are high he’d skip of early. What they are really asking is prove he did not leave before the 8th.

They don’t care if you went by bicycle…. That is not the question! They want you to prove you were present in Switzerland when you should have been.

You may not have intentionally scammed the system but it is that which you have done and you are now making hole deeper.....


A simple error for a missing day may have been overlooked, by lying about it, there is no chance it can be overlooked.

Oh believe me, that was very friendly advice. Your RAV advisor might not be so nice about it

I have an appointment with him next week, so following your advice I will tell him the truth, the doctor did not prevent me from traveling due to my illness, so I think I only lost one day, I did not do it on purpose.

Thank you all🙏

The sick leave certificate needs to explicitly say you are allowed to travel. If it does not it's an issue.

Did you by any remote chance do any online applications on the 6th of January? That would go a long way when the questions come. Assuming not, just bite the bullet and take the penalty.

Agree with all the others that lying about it will just get you into much deeper trouble. Better to have a penalty for skipping one day than much worse.

Just look at it this way:

RAV is your employer. You were absent one day without having leave.

That is how RAV looks at it.

Anyone can read what you post. Your email is not visible or searchable to the public. I'd be surprised if a RAV advisor has time to read EF to look for people who missed one day.

Good point. It wasn't in all cantons, but maybe OP has moved and he's no longer in Bern. Wherever he is, RAV has questions!

No-one here knows and could possibly know, why your RAV advisor has become suspicious that you are not playing by the rules. But it seems that s/he does, and will probably insist on proper evidence.

I've always understood that travelling abroad had to have specific permission from advisor, as you are not available to look for work.

If I where you, I'd be honest- and hope to be only penalised for a few days.
But what happens next is not written in stone. Depends very much on your relationship with your advisor, and his/her boss and local office- if they have decided to really stamp on any abuse if they have a local problem.

Yep and playing silly buggers with them is an excellent way of getting their backs up. I am aware of a case in Bern in the last couple of months were the RAV brought in the legal department to take sworn statements!

Back in the day, it never ceased to amaze me how the amateur fancies themselves against the professionals in these situations. I guess it's lack of experience. You have had the training and heard all the stories before, you have a very specific objective and a game plan to achieve it and the target is trying to think on their feet. It's just a case of getting them in a room, handing them plenty of rope and most of them will talk themselves into a corner. Most people are good at telling a lie, but few are good at maintaining it over a sustained period as they'll usually loose track of what they said previously.

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Sorry, but no, you're incorrect about this. This is the rationale:

Whenever a person is in a circumstance in which some insurance covers them, then they have a legal/contractual responsibility to minimise the damage and not cause new expenses. This is why, if you see that your car tyre is flat, you shouldn't drive the car in that state because it will damage other parts of the wheel. Similarly, when on RAV, the person has to do their best to apply for jobs, and to be available for all calls from RAV, and to obey the RAV rules which aim to pay the person as few RAV-support-days as possible.

The same reasoning applies to being sick, or having an accident. As long as the patient is drawing moneys from an insurance or social support, be that medical insurance, accident insurance, salary continuation through an employer, unemployment moneys (even though they are suspended for days when the person is too ill to work) or social security or any private insurances, their obligation is to do their utmost to restore their health so that they will no longer need as much support from that insurance.

An ill patient's fulfilment of this obligation is measured by the degree of compliance with the doctor's instructions. The doctor, similarly, has a responsibility to order and to allow the patient what will most likely support their recovery. Therefore, if it is the doctor's opinion that the most health-engendering thing that the patient could do would be, say, to visit their family in another country, then, indeed, that is permitted.... no matter what the internal regulations of any employer may say.

Having said that, if still employed, it is obviously a good idea to avoid annoying the employer unecessarily. By the same reasoning, I think you're right about this:
This is excellent advice! OP, just document the truth.
Good! You've found out what you need, you're going to tell the truth, supply the flight dates correctly, you understand your mistake and will demonstrate that you don't intend to make that mistake again. Very good. You may be given a few days penalty, but that's most likely the worst that can happen.

Dorofiz aou are right ''An ill patient's fulfilment of this obligation is measured by the degree of compliance with the doctor's instructions. The doctor, similarly, has a responsibility to order and to allow the patient what will most likely support their recovery. Therefore, if it is the doctor's opinion that the most health-engendering thing that the patient could do would be, say, to visit their family in another country, then, indeed, that is permitted....''

My sister-in-law is currently spending time with her family on the other side of the world, when on sick leave and RAV. As the doctor considered that would help her recover more quickly, to be then ready to go back to work. But she needed the explicit approval of her doctor, who sent his report to that effect to RAV.