Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Permits/visas/government  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 25.01.2023, 11:15
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2021
Location: Zurich
Posts: 66
Groaned at 6 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 12 Times in 8 Posts
maniux has annoyed a few people around heremaniux has annoyed a few people around here
Fast Track C permit with non-permanent contract and B-L-B permit

I read through many threads in the forum and found different stories. So here I am to ask this question for my own issue.

My case is a bit special here:

1. I finished my PhD at ETH, and found a position at ETH afterwards.
2. My contract is B (PhD) -- L (first 2 years of my position) -- B (after 2yrs).
3. I've been stayed here for more than 5 years now.
4. Due to ETH regulations, I can only get non-permanent position at the moment (need around another 4 years to be evaluated for permanent contract.)

My question is:
Will the 2 year L-permit count as "continuous" for the evaluation of "5 years continuous stay"?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 25.01.2023, 11:59
aSwissInTheUS's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Zurich area
Posts: 14,001
Groaned at 111 Times in 99 Posts
Thanked 21,898 Times in 9,607 Posts
aSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Fast Track C permit with non-permanent contract and B-L-B permit

Try and apply but do not hold your breath. According SEM Guidelines Chapter 3.5.3.2 you should have had a permanent contract during your L years. Only then can L-years exceptionally count towards the 5 years period on B.

Means you have to wait another 3 years till you have 5 years of continuous B.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank aSwissInTheUS for this useful post:
  #3  
Old 25.01.2023, 16:09
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2021
Location: Zurich
Posts: 66
Groaned at 6 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 12 Times in 8 Posts
maniux has annoyed a few people around heremaniux has annoyed a few people around here
Re: Fast Track C permit with non-permanent contract and B-L-B permit

Quote:
View Post
Try and apply but do not hold your breath. According SEM Guidelines Chapter 3.5.3.2 you should have had a permanent contract during your L years. Only then can L-years exceptionally count towards the 5 years period on B.

Means you have to wait another 3 years till you have 5 years of continuous B.
Another 2 years you mean (PhD count for 3 yrs)?

I can accept that the L years don't apply, but will that make my previous PhD years don't count (because it is disrupted)? If that's not the case, it make things a bit easier.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 25.01.2023, 16:26
aSwissInTheUS's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Zurich area
Posts: 14,001
Groaned at 111 Times in 99 Posts
Thanked 21,898 Times in 9,607 Posts
aSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Fast Track C permit with non-permanent contract and B-L-B permit

When you apply for C you must have 5 years of uninterrupted stay on B. So far you have accumulated 2 years, as your previous stay on B was interrupted by the permit L period. Hence you would need three more years on B if your application is denied.

If your total stay (on B and L) is 10 years or more, you can apply via the regular route. If your total stay is less than 10 years you can apply for the early C based on good integration. In both cases you need at least 5 uninterrupted years on B when you apply.
__________________
All my posts are are under CC BY-SA 4.0 DEED Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank aSwissInTheUS for this useful post:
  #5  
Old 25.01.2023, 21:14
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2021
Location: Zurich
Posts: 66
Groaned at 6 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 12 Times in 8 Posts
maniux has annoyed a few people around heremaniux has annoyed a few people around here
Re: Fast Track C permit with non-permanent contract and B-L-B permit

Quote:
View Post
When you apply for C you must have 5 years of uninterrupted stay on B. So far you have accumulated 2 years, as your previous stay on B was interrupted by the permit L period. Hence you would need three more years on B if your application is denied.

If your total stay (on B and L) is 10 years or more, you can apply via the regular route. If your total stay is less than 10 years you can apply for the early C based on good integration. In both cases you need at least 5 uninterrupted years on B when you apply.
Wait, I'm a bit confused.

Why do you say I have accumulated 2 years?

If my L interrupts B, then I need to re-accumulate the 5 years, which means I need 5 years more?

If my L doesn't interrupt B, then I have 3 years B already, and need 2 more years?

Perhaps I didn't explain clearly myself. I'm at the beginning of B (after 2yrs of L). My 5-year stay is PhD (3yrs) + L(2yrs).
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 25.01.2023, 21:29
Island Monkey's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wallis
Posts: 7,721
Groaned at 186 Times in 118 Posts
Thanked 9,110 Times in 4,076 Posts
Island Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Fast Track C permit with non-permanent contract and B-L-B permit

Quote:
View Post
Perhaps I didn't explain clearly myself.
You didnít.

You need to start counting again from your new B permit.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 25.01.2023, 21:42
aSwissInTheUS's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Zurich area
Posts: 14,001
Groaned at 111 Times in 99 Posts
Thanked 21,898 Times in 9,607 Posts
aSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Fast Track C permit with non-permanent contract and B-L-B permit

I mistakenly though you had B already for two years.

Quote:
View Post
2. My contract is B (PhD) -- L (first 2 years of my position) -- B (after 2yrs).
If you are only at the beginning of your permit B you will need another 5 years.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 26.01.2023, 14:16
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2023
Location: Zurich
Posts: 6
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
markoml has no particular reputation at present
Re: Fast Track C permit with non-permanent contract and B-L-B permit

L permit can be counted towards obtaining the C permit if it was issued based on a permanent contract or if it is clear that the stay is permanent in nature. While the first scenario (permanent contract) is straightforward, the second one is more ambiguous and some may argue that it applies to the OP's case. I am in a similar situation, also working at ETH: 4 years on a postdoc B permit and 2 years on L permit, currently in the process of renewing it (have to get either B or nothing, since L is valid for 2 years only). It seems that only the Migration Office can provide a definitive answer as our situation is rather specific.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank markoml for this useful post:
  #9  
Old 27.01.2023, 11:17
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2021
Location: Zurich
Posts: 66
Groaned at 6 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 12 Times in 8 Posts
maniux has annoyed a few people around heremaniux has annoyed a few people around here
Re: Fast Track C permit with non-permanent contract and B-L-B permit

Quote:
View Post
L permit can be counted towards obtaining the C permit if it was issued based on a permanent contract or if it is clear that the stay is permanent in nature. While the first scenario (permanent contract) is straightforward, the second one is more ambiguous and some may argue that it applies to the OP's case. I am in a similar situation, also working at ETH: 4 years on a postdoc B permit and 2 years on L permit, currently in the process of renewing it (have to get either B or nothing, since L is valid for 2 years only). It seems that only the Migration Office can provide a definitive answer as our situation is rather specific.
Yeah, I asked around again and there seems to be no definite answer.
What they recommend me is to just apply for C permit and see how the Migrationsamt says...
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
c-permit, fast-track, permit




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Non-EU on L permit, fast-track C permit application anony Permits/visas/government 8 27.09.2023 09:44
Fast track C permit without a job malo Permits/visas/government 2 02.02.2023 16:11
Process for applying for a fast track C permit in Zurich gokul Permits/visas/government 2 16.10.2022 16:44
Non EU getting fast track C permit Bellanana Permits/visas/government 1 21.12.2021 20:20
early c permit (fast track) application LLu Permits/visas/government 2 01.11.2021 22:29


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 14:52.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0