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Old 14.07.2015, 09:05
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Re: Changing from B to C permit

True, but then is a Ci permit very different from a regular L, B or C!!!
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Old 05.08.2015, 21:21
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Re: Changing from B to C permit

Has anyone experienced delays in delivery from B to C permits (EU nationals) in Canton Geneva? We were sent a simple form to fill in for each member of the family early July and we still have not received anything.


Our B permits expire in 5 days' time, so I am starting to worry a little.
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Re: Changing from B to C permit

When I changed from a B- to a C-permit, my B- was kept by the foreigners' police and the C-permit arrived around 7 months later, well after the B- had expired. The fact that the B-permit expires though is essentially irrelevant as when the C-permit comes, it still displays the original entry date and you aren't left with any gap in residence here. I just didn't have any document during that time. A delay like this is completely normal, no matter the nationality, EU or non-EU!

Note: during the time before the C-permit arrives, you are still on a B-permit, including for taxation purposes i.e. taxed at source. Once the C-permit arrives, you are no longer taxed at source, you can inform your employer to stop taxing you at source. Normally your employer should request a copy of your new permit if they notice it is expiring or has expired.

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When I changed from a B- to a C-permit, my B- was kept by the foreigners' police and the C-permit arrived around 7 months later, well after the B- had expired. The fact that the B-permit expires though is essentially irrelevant as when the C-permit comes, it still displays the original entry date and you aren't left with any gap in residence here. I just didn't have any document during that time. A delay like this is completely normal, no matter the nationality, EU or non-EU!

Note: during the time before the C-permit arrives, you are still on a B-permit, including for taxation purposes i.e. taxed at source. Once the C-permit arrives, you are no longer taxed at source, you can inform your employer to stop taxing you at source. Normally your employer should request a copy of your new permit if they notice it is expiring or has expired.


Thank you Plumtree, this is very useful. I was told by my employer that we would stop being taxed at source once on C-Permit, so they are expecting us to be, but I just could not explain the delay. I assume it is best to let it follow its course rather than call "Office de la population et de l'immigration", just in case one "cheeses them off" in this heat!
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Thank you Plumtree, this is very useful. I was told by my employer that we would stop being taxed at source once on C-Permit, so they are expecting us to be, but I just could not explain the delay. I assume it is best to let it follow its course rather than call "Office de la population et de l'immigration", just in case one "cheeses them off" in this heat!
In some cantons it evidently takes much longer than in others. In my case for example, (some years ago now, years before the various changes to the procedure), about 2 months after the application, there was an off-chance visit from the police, on a Saturday morning to check the living conditions etc. Effectively you are requesting permanent domicile, a C-permit is a settler's permit, so there are various checks in place, - once you have a C-permit, there are very few circumstances indeed in which your permit can be taken away from you again.

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Re: Changing from B to C permit

Took me 9 months to get my B to C permit. Nine. Months.
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Took me 9 months to get my B to C permit. Nine. Months.


Plumtree and you are both in Aargau. Hopefully Geneva will be a little faster!
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Old 05.08.2015, 23:15
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Plumtree and you are both in Aargau. Hopefully Geneva will be a little faster!
Took hubby 4 days to get his in Neuchâtel so there are some efficient cantons.
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Re: Changing from B to C permit

Just to add my two cents' worth...

I live in Geneva and submitted my paperwork for an early C permit (non-EU, non-US, non-Canadian) to the Office Cantonal de la Population (OCP) in early July. About two weeks ago, I wrote an email to them to confirm that all the submitted documents were in order and to ask about the expected processing time. I got a reply a week ago, confirming that my application was in the queue and saying also that they were unable to give me an exact time frame. Furthermore, due to a large number of applications, delays can be expected.

I suppose this sort of response from the OCP is not surprising, but hope anyway that it doesn't drag into several months. Can someone who has gone through the early C permit process in Geneva give me an idea of how long it takes?
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Re: Changing from B to C permit

Or perhaps they have to deal with just 10 newcomers per year in Canton Neuchatel?
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Old 06.08.2015, 09:43
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Just to add my two cents' worth...

I live in Geneva and submitted my paperwork for an early C permit (non-EU, non-US, non-Canadian) to the Office Cantonal de la Population (OCP) in early July. About two weeks ago, I wrote an email to them to confirm that all the submitted documents were in order and to ask about the expected processing time. I got a reply a week ago, confirming that my application was in the queue and saying also that they were unable to give me an exact time frame. Furthermore, due to a large number of applications, delays can be expected.

I suppose this sort of response from the OCP is not surprising, but hope anyway that it doesn't drag into several months. Can someone who has gone through the early C permit process in Geneva give me an idea of how long it takes?
For the same sort of application in Basel, it was less than two weeks from mailing it in that we had our permits in hand. I really don't understand such large differences in processing times, but they are very real.
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For the same sort of application in Basel, it was less than two weeks from mailing it in that we had our permits in hand. I really don't understand such large differences in processing times, but they are very real.
The large differences in processing times might depend not only on how efficient the cantonal immigration authorities are and how many applications they have to process, are but also on whether the applicant is EU/EFTA or non-EU/EFTA and may even depend on the individual nationality insofar as if a certain document for a certain nationality might not exist in the applicant's home country then certain other checks may have to be carried out here, delaying the process.
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Old 08.09.2015, 22:02
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Took hubby 4 days to get his in Neuchâtel so there are some efficient cantons.
BM, did your OH have to do anything to initiate the process or did he receive something in the post? Mine is due for renewal on 1st October.
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BM, did your OH have to do anything to initiate the process or did he receive something in the post? Mine is due for renewal on 1st October.
No nothing at all and I have a much more recent experience now.
Mine was actually due for renewal at the end of October too and they sent me the renewal letter about a month ago. I filled it in and took it to the commune a couple of weeks ago and received my new (puky green coloured) C permit last Friday.
Took about 10 days altogether.
The form says renewal of B permit but if you're EU you automatically get a C.

If you don't get a renewal form automatically within the next couple of weeks I'd contact them if I were you.
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Old 08.09.2015, 22:37
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I assume it is best to let it follow its course rather than call "Office de la population et de l'immigration", just in case one "cheeses them off" in this heat!
I don't recall them ever answering the phone at OCP in Geneva.

You can visit OCP in person to request an attestation that they have received and are processing the permit change. They will give this to you there and then. Can't remember if they charge.

This can be useful if the original permit expiry date has passed and you're nervous about travelling without.
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No nothing at all and I have a much more recent experience now.
Mine was actually due for renewal at the end of October too and they sent me the renewal letter about a month ago. I filled it in and took it to the commune a couple of weeks ago and received my new (puky green coloured) C permit last Friday.
Took about 10 days altogether.
The form says renewal of B permit but if you're EU you automatically get a C.

If you don't get a renewal form automatically within the next couple of weeks I'd contact them if I were you.
Hmm... If yours was due for renewal a month later than mine and you got a letter a month ago and I still haven't got one, I should probably contact them now!
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Re: Changing from B to C permit

I did the same and had actually to wait 5 years with the B before applying for the C permit
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Re: Changing from B to C permit

Well I've had my B for five years - went down the contrôle des habitants and they took my old permit, gave me a document confirming it had been sent off and informed me I would be getting a C permit. We'll see how long it takes!
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Well I've had my B for five years - went down the contrôle des habitants and they took my old permit, gave me a document confirming it had been sent off and informed me I would be getting a C permit. We'll see how long it takes!
I'm amazed that you had to go in there and actually ask for it. Nobody else I know has had to do that ( even unemployed people).
It shouldn't take more than about 10 days to come back. They told me to allow two weeks but it was back within 8 days.
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Old 14.09.2015, 20:41
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Re: Changing from B to C permit

Have you known anyone unemployed apply? Have they had any problems?
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