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I received B permit because of civil partnership.
I submit extension formular for said B permit at the end of august this year.
But beucase i've been holding B for 5 years, I then write on the formular that i'd like to apply for C.
I asked the nice lady in Gemeinde if there is any other documents that i should submit. She said the migrationamt will ask me later. Now is early Nov, i have not heard anything from the Gemeinde nor the migrationamt. My actual B Permit ended on 30th Nov. I'll be out of CH for a 3 weeks vacation tomorrow. Hopefully it'll be done when i get back though..

How long does it normally take to process the permit? Is there a case when the permit issued after the last one expired? What to do when you get back and your permit still not processed yet? Do you have to come to Gemeinde for a special letter to explain why you stay with an expired permit?

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The processing time varies enormously from canton to canton! Anything from a few days/weeks up to 10 months I've heard.

Yes there can be periods where you have no permit at all. I had nothing for more than 7 months, because in the canton where I changed from B- to C-permit, the foreigners' police withdraws the permit during a renewal! If you are checked during this time, you say that your permit is away for renewal or show a photocopy.

When the new permit comes it will state your original entry date. You have uninterrupted residence here. The date of issuance of the C-permit is irrelevant.
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Re: Changing from B to C permit

Thanks .
The last year B Permit took only a week or so though.
I've heard that police might give a visit, but until now no one knocks on our door yet

Well, i'll just wait then .
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The last year B Permit took only a week or so though.
I've heard that police might give a visit, but until now no one knocks on our door yet
A B-permit is generally quicker to get hold of/update/renew.
An unannounced police visit is certainly possible for a C-permit application that's pending. I had one at home. It was on a Saturday morning a couple of months after applying for the C-permit. 4 months later or so, the permit arrived!
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Old 02.11.2015, 19:30
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A B-permit is generally quicker to get hold of/update/renew.
An unannounced police visit is certainly possible for a C-permit application that's pending. I had one at home. It was on a Saturday morning a couple of months after applying for the C-permit. 4 months later or so, the permit arrived!
You can't generalise, as always it's canton and personal situation specific.

In SG getting a (EU) C seems to be no different to getting an EU-B extension.
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Old 02.11.2015, 19:32
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You can't generalise, as always it's canton and personal situation specific.

In SG getting a (EU) C seems to be no different to getting an EU-B extension.
Same in Neuchâtel. It's really quick and easy here.
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Same in Neuchâtel. It's really quick and easy here.
I would have hoped so, considering the amount of taxes you have to pay there!
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Old 02.11.2015, 19:59
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I would have hoped so, considering the amount of taxes you have to pay there!
I doubt very much that permit renewal time has anything to do with how much tax we pay.
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I doubt very much that permit renewal time has anything to do with how much tax we pay.
I'd rather wait 6 to 9 months for a permit to be renewed or converted rather than pay thousands of francs in extra tax every year!
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Old 03.11.2015, 11:05
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I'd rather wait 6 to 9 months for a permit to be renewed or converted rather than pay thousands of francs in extra tax every year!
It can take 6-9 months in higher taxed cantons too. The tax rate has nothing to do with the speed of permit renewal.
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We are going to apply for an early C Permit for non-EU/US etc, but none of us have German certificates yet. So now we consider, wether we have to apply in 2016 or 2017.

I have one more question re the German knowledge requirement (Kanton ZH), maybe someone knows the answer. If one of the spouses has unlimited contract and the other doesn't work, should the person who works have level B1 and the other spouse level A2 or it could be vice versa?
Ct. Zug has just announced a C permit with EFers in mind. No German language requirements! The scoop is in today's Tages-Anzeiger:

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/16171346

Of course, you'll need to be able to read German to learn about this special C permit.
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It can take 6-9 months in higher taxed cantons too. The tax rate has nothing to do with the speed of permit renewal.
I'd still rather wait 6 to 9 months for a permit to be renewed or converted rather than pay those thousands of francs in extra tax every year that you seem to like paying!
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Ct. Zug has just announced a C permit with EFers in mind. No German language requirements! The scoop is in today's Tages-Anzeiger:

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/16171346

Of course, you'll need to be able to read German to learn about this special C permit.

Can one apply for C and alter naturalisation in canton Zurich if French language is at good level instead of German B1?
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Can one apply for C and alter naturalisation in canton Zurich if French language is at good level instead of German B1?
No, you have to speak the official language of a canton and for Zurich that will be German.
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I'd still rather wait 6 to 9 months for a permit to be renewed or converted rather than pay those thousands of francs in extra tax every year that you seem to like paying!
I suspect I'm banging my head against a brick wall here but I'll say this one more time in the hope that you can get it through your thick skull:

THE TIME IT TAKES FOR THE PERMIT TO BE ISSUED IS NOT RELATED TO HOW MUCH TAX YOU PAY.

Nobody loves paying taxes but it's a necessary evil, we choose to live in a place we like where we have good jobs and can speak the language. I'd rather live here paying more taxes than in the back end of nowhere in German speaking Switzerland for sure.
There's much more to life than money you know.
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THE TIME IT TAKES FOR THE PERMIT TO BE ISSUED IS NOT RELATED TO HOW MUCH TAX YOU PAY

Nobody loves paying taxes but it's a necessary evil, we choose to live in a place we like where we have good jobs and can speak the language. I'd rather live here paying more taxes than in the back end of nowhere in German speaking Switzerland for sure.
There's much more to life than money you know.
Why are you shouting? If you don't have a lot of money because you have to pay so much in taxes, it's not much of a life!

I'd still rather wait 6 to 9 months for a permit to be renewed or converted rather than pay those thousands of francs in extra tax every year that you seem to like paying!

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I suspect I'm banging my head against a brick wall here but I'll say this one more time in the hope that you can get it through your thick skull:

THE TIME IT TAKES FOR THE PERMIT TO BE ISSUED IS NOT RELATED TO HOW MUCH TAX YOU PAY.

Nobody loves paying taxes but it's a necessary evil, we choose to live in a place we like where we have good jobs and can speak the language. I'd rather live here paying more taxes than in the back end of nowhere in German speaking Switzerland for sure.
There's much more to life than money you know.
I imagine his (her?) reasoning runs something like this: faster processing means they need more people which means higher municipal budget which means higher taxes.

And it well might, all else being equal. But all else is never equal.

I rather suspect the biggest (and least transparent) factor in processing time is the fine structure of local government: the number of people whose hands a permit application has to pass through, and what other responsibilities each of those people is juggling at the same time.
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I imagine his (her?) reasoning runs something like this: faster processing means they need more people which means higher municipal budget which means higher taxes.

And it well might, all else being equal. But all else is never equal.

I rather suspect the biggest (and least transparent) factor in processing time is the fine structure of local government: the number of people whose hands a permit application has to pass through, and what other responsibilities each of those people is juggling at the same time.
Oh yes I totally get what his/her reasoning probably is but it doesn't work like that in reality. It doesn't matter how many times he/she repeats it on here it still doesn't make it reality.

Geneva and Vaud also have high taxes but the permit issue and renewal time is very long there. Other cantons have low taxes and short turnaround times.

As you say how much of their tax revenue they designate to each area really does vary from canton to canton depending on what their prioritues are which is something that Plumtree doesn't seem to be able to grasp.
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If you don't have a lot of money because you have to pay so much in taxes, it's not much of a life!

I'd still rather wait 6 to 9 months for a permit to be renewed or converted rather than pay those thousands of francs in extra tax every year that you seem to like paying!
Who said we don't have a lot of money in Neuchâtel? There are hundreds of thousands of people living here quite happily with a pretty good standard of living.

You really are like a stuck record aren't you?
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Who said we don't have a lot of money in Neuchâtel? There are hundreds of thousands of people living here quite happily with a pretty good standard of living.
As mentioned, I'd still rather wait 6 to 9 months for a permit to be renewed/converted rather than pay those thousands of francs in extra tax every year that you do so happily!
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Re: Changing from B to C permit

Wow, that didn't take long.
I submit application on 25.11, few days later the application came back because i haven't signed it.. ..
I resend signed form on 30.11, and yesterday i received my new C permit .
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