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Old 11.12.2008, 14:43
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Bring Philippino (non-family)to CH?

We are in a difficult situation at the moment. We have a live-in Philippino "helper" (housekeeper, babysitter). Her previous employers had told her they would arrange for her to emigrate to Australia, and she was expecting to go in January. We have just found out that her visa has been denied and there is no point in reapplying. She is devastated - there were good reasons for her expecting to get in.

She does not want to go back to the Philippines (no job, no future, no husband or kids), and she does not want to stay in HK (helpers are treated as second class citizens here).

So...has anybody taken a non-family member into Switzerland long term ie. not as a tourist? (She is too old to be an au pair.) If so, how did you do it? How long did it take? What were the costs involved? Would she be well treated in the EU?

I'm not sure she will want to come, but would like to have some info before we discuss it with her.
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So...has anybody taken a non-family member into Switzerland long term ie. not as a tourist? (She is too old to be an au pair.) If so, how did you do it? How long did it take? What were the costs involved? Would she be well treated in the EU?

I'm not sure she will want to come, but would like to have some info before we discuss it with her.
For starters, Switzerland is not exactly in the EU. Second, unless you come on a diplomatic posting, forget about it.

Conditions for immigration:Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
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Re: Bring Philippino (non-family)to CH?

bring her over on a 3month tourist visa, the proceedure is very simple. then let her talk to the filipino comminity about gaining a work (F) permit.
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F permit is a provisionally admitted refugee, that is AFTER getting the initial asylum seeker N permit. Both N and F are severely restricted in terms of the industries that the holder is able to legally work - putzen ( restaurants and schools), feeding the animals, construction plus two more in between. Definitely not in her former vocation unless she works for a member of a diplomatic mission in CH.

Interestingly, which category of visa did she apply for when considering Australia ?

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Re: Bring Philippino (non-family)to CH?

you pay for her around $3500HKD in Hong Kong. In Switzerland, if I am correct, you need to pay her around 3,000 too but in Swiss Franc! You got to think about it! PS: Don't even think about paying her at a lower price by verbal agreement, my friend ended up getting this tragedy in court. Good luck!
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Re: Bring Philippino (non-family)to CH?

Thanks for your responses. Unfortunately it sounds highly unlikely that we can get her in.

To answer your questions....

She was going to Australia on a student visa to study commercial cooking (having a qualification in that meant she could apply for permanent residency as it is a sought after profession). She was knocked back nominally because her high school results were not good enough, even though she had been accepted into the course. Apparently the real reason is that the Aus govt are very much concerned about people trafficking (for cheap labour), particularly from the south east asian countries.

We actually pay her more than the minimum wage, however it is still alot less than what we would have to pay her in CH. And we are at the stage where our kids will both be at school/preschool so we do not really need her. Our thought was to employ her until she was settled and could find another employer. We heard that a friend of a friend of a friend.... got their helper in on a work visa and she then found an employer in Paris who took over sponsorship of her. (Maybe this is an urban myth?) Really we just don't want to abandon her.
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Thanks for your responses. Unfortunately it sounds highly unlikely that we can get her in.

To answer your questions....

She was going to Australia on a student visa to study commercial cooking (having a qualification in that meant she could apply for permanent residency as it is a sought after profession). She was knocked back nominally because her high school results were not good enough, even though she had been accepted into the course. Apparently the real reason is that the Aus govt are very much concerned about people trafficking (for cheap labour), particularly from the south east asian countries.

We actually pay her more than the minimum wage, however it is still alot less than what we would have to pay her in CH. And we are at the stage where our kids will both be at school/preschool so we do not really need her. Our thought was to employ her until she was settled and could find another employer. We heard that a friend of a friend of a friend.... got their helper in on a work visa and she then found an employer in Paris who took over sponsorship of her. (Maybe this is an urban myth?) Really we just don't want to abandon her.
Unless her situation changes significantly ( for example marriage to an Australian resident ), the denial of the visa will be on DIAC's records for at least 7 years and will negatively impact her subsequent visa applications. Additionally, skilled migration to Australia becomes difficult as points are deducted the older one gets. So, emigrating to Australia is out for her.

Apart from the marriage / student route, I am unsure how else she can be brought along to CH. I know that some high ranking diplomatic staff have brought in Filipino helpers on a special card issued by the BFM, but am unsure of private employment as helpers.
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