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Old 06.04.2006, 19:07
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Permits and leaving CH (but maybe coming back)

Hi,

anyone out there had experience of clearing off for a period of months and then coming back into Switzerland?

I'm planning on quitting my job here, it just doesn't offer what I want in terms of salary and personal/career development. Now, ideally I'd like to find something back in the British Isles and move there shortly after I quit. However, I'm realisitic enough to know that getting the _right_ job could take a while - and at the moment I've no desire to take a job just for the sake of having one: So I'm planning on going travelling for 3-4 months if nothing shows up by the time I've planned to quit my apartment (end Sept).

Now, when I come back I'll still be looking for work in the UK/Ireland. But ... I hold a 'C' permit which can remain valid for up to six months if I'm out of the country. I'd like to keep the door open with that permit to come back and do contract work in CH if the opportunity arose. I'd still have 2-3 months left on the permit by the time my travels were over.


What are the logistics and pitfalls of doing so, does anyone have any experience or knowlege to share here?

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Old 06.04.2006, 21:15
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Re: Permits and leaving CH (but maybe coming back)

Hi Gav,

The best people to check with are your Gemeinde - I think the period for the C permit is much longer (like a couple of years, but I'm not sure). Every now and then you could turn up and register at a friend's house to reset the time...
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Old 06.04.2006, 22:22
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Re: Permits and leaving CH (but maybe coming back)

One thing for sure is you will need to have your tax paid in full before you leave, if you want any hope of coming back.
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Re: Permits and leaving CH (but maybe coming back)

Yes tax is one thing but there are some others. If you apply at your Gemeinde you can have an extension which permits you to leave for a total of 24 months. During this 24 months you need not enter Switzerland or live here but you need to have a return address and somewhere to collect your mail. You are dropped from the requirement to complete the tax returns for any complete year which is within the 24 month period...

"Officially" returning within that 24 month period is not exactly advisable as it starts a tax clock going ie you need to fill in the forms which by the way you do even if you did not work within that year and are resident here...

I would suggest you remain registered here at a friends address claim unemployment and then if and when you find something in another country formally deregister.
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Re: Permits and leaving CH (but maybe coming back)

hi all! I recently had experienced something like that through a friend who went abroad looking for a job. You may de-register for up to 2 years. The exact amount of time though depends on a decision fom your gemeinde..You need somehow to tell them that you intend to leave and the reason. Normally the 2 yrs period should not be a problem. If you remain registered in a friend's address here that means that you still need to make a tax application at the end of the year plus pay the monthly krankenkasse! To get the benefits of unemployment I am afraid this is tricky to go there...you need to be reachable within 24 hrs...and be present at monthly discussions with a supervisor in RAV! So maybe it is better to unregister for 2 yrs. Pay taxes till the day you leave. The money from Pensionkasse will go to a private account you can take the back if you come back and place them in the pensionkasse of a new job or take them with you in case you decde to leave for ever:-)
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Re: Permits and leaving CH (but maybe coming back)

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Yes tax is one thing but there are some others. If you apply at your Gemeinde you can have an extension which permits you to leave for a total of 24 months. During this 24 months you need not enter Switzerland or live here but you need to have a return address and somewhere to collect your mail. You are dropped from the requirement to complete the tax returns for any complete year which is within the 24 month period...

"Officially" returning within that 24 month period is not exactly advisable as it starts a tax clock going ie you need to fill in the forms which by the way you do even if you did not work within that year and are resident here...

I would suggest you remain registered here at a friends address claim unemployment and then if and when you find something in another country formally deregister.
Hi Richard, thanks for the info.

Does the address have to be in Switzerland, or would a contact address back in the UK be enough? How about a PO Box in Switzerland with the mail being forwarded to the UK?

It'd be great if I could stay 'resident' to claim unemployement benefit when I get back, but as sfiki points out below your post, it seems that you have to meet the criteria of being available for work at 24hrs notice and have a monthly meeting at the RAV.

Since I'm planning on being in various parts of the Southern Hemisphere for three months, this just isn't going to be possible.


What would be great would be if I could come back after three months and begin my unemployment claim then. However, I've got a feeling that even though the RAV won't pay me for three calendar months on account of my quitting myself, they will expect me to play by their rules whilst I'm waiting......I don't suppose if you know different?

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Old 10.04.2006, 18:46
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Re: Permits and leaving CH (but maybe coming back)

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hi all! I recently had experienced something like that through a friend who went abroad looking for a job. You may de-register for up to 2 years. The exact amount of time though depends on a decision fom your gemeinde..You need somehow to tell them that you intend to leave and the reason. Normally the 2 yrs period should not be a problem. If you remain registered in a friend's address here that means that you still need to make a tax application at the end of the year plus pay the monthly krankenkasse! To get the benefits of unemployment I am afraid this is tricky to go there...you need to be reachable within 24 hrs...and be present at monthly discussions with a supervisor in RAV! So maybe it is better to unregister for 2 yrs. Pay taxes till the day you leave. The money from Pensionkasse will go to a private account you can take the back if you come back and place them in the pensionkasse of a new job or take them with you in case you decde to leave for ever:-)
Hope that helps!
If I could come back to CH after my trip and *then* file an unemployement claim, I wouldn't mind keeping up the payment of the various taxes and insurances out of my own pocket. I don't suppose you know if that's possible?

It's not that I plan on being unemployed (in fact, if I get a decent job before I go travelling I'm likely to take it) but since I've paid my AHV for seven years I feel that I should be able to claim something back for it in the event of a period of unemployment.


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Re: Permits and leaving CH (but maybe coming back)

Hi there! YOu can actually do that. First you will need to declare that you will leave from the country and you do not want to be registered anylonger. You should not say though that you will go travelling but rather that you are going abroad looking for a job. You will need to state the time for which you intend to stay abroad (up to 2 yrs in order not to loose your C permit). The money of pensionkasse will go to an account which you will not be able to access I think until you return and move them to a new kasse when you get a new job, or take them in case you get a job abroad. When and if you come back you can go at day 1 already inRAV(unemployment office) and subscribe yourself as unemployed and as looking for a job. They will guide you through the necessary actions to be made for the unemployment insurance from where you will be paid. You will have to show in this first appointment that you have been looking for a job since the time you had left your last job. So it would be good if you had made a few applications , either in CH or abroad.

Hope this is more clear:-)Good luck!
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Old 22.04.2006, 16:59
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Hi there! YOu can actually do that. First you will need to declare that you will leave from the country and you do not want to be registered anylonger. You should not say though that you will go travelling but rather that you are going abroad looking for a job. You will need to state the time for which you intend to stay abroad (up to 2 yrs in order not to loose your C permit). The money of pensionkasse will go to an account which you will not be able to access I think until you return and move them to a new kasse when you get a new job, or take them in case you get a job abroad. When and if you come back you can go at day 1 already inRAV(unemployment office) and subscribe yourself as unemployed and as looking for a job. They will guide you through the necessary actions to be made for the unemployment insurance from where you will be paid. You will have to show in this first appointment that you have been looking for a job since the time you had left your last job. So it would be good if you had made a few applications , either in CH or abroad.

Hope this is more clear:-)Good luck!
Cheers for that info. It's pretty interesting and something I might well be tempted to do. I might as well get something for my AHV payments. Although, Swiss _really_ hate to claim.

I was speaking to a new workmate the other day who'd been out of work for six months between jobs after quitting his old one and he didn't 'sign on'. I asked him why not and he just said that he didn't want to do it..... I'll bet there's a disproportionate amount of foreigners claiming dole here.

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Re: Permits and leaving CH (but maybe coming back)

Im very curious about something. Lets say that I have a C permit and a job here, been working here for years.

Lets then say that I am offered a job in London. What if I go and do my 3 month probation and it doesnt work out?

From what I read here, it seems like I wouldnt have to give up my C permit that quickly. But would I lose the right to collect unemployment benefit?

I suppose what Im asking is, what is the best thing to do in these circumstances? Im sure that some of us at least have faced such a choice before? How to handle? Any advice??

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Old 11.02.2008, 12:46
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Re: Permits and leaving CH (but maybe coming back)

bumping this....

anyone have an opinion on my question?

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Re: Permits and leaving CH (but maybe coming back)

are you EU or not? From your profile, it looks like you are and if you consider Gav posted this a long time ago when quotas applied to EU folk too, you'll understand that things are easier now....
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Re: Permits and leaving CH (but maybe coming back)

yep, im english EU.

Hi Lob, thanks for your response, though im not sure what you mean by "easier"? my question is not, how easy is it to get a permit. i know thats easier. perhaps i need to rephrase my question?

the question is... if i have a C permit, and i took another job abroad, what are the conditions regarding

a) giving up my c permit... if and when?

b) losing employment benefits... when?

c) coming back in the short term (i.e. 3 months) if the job doesnt work out for any reason.


anyone have a further take on this? i did search the forum quite hard for an answer but didnt find anything.
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Re: Permits and leaving CH (but maybe coming back)

Hi,

Apologies if I failed to find the answer elsewhere...

Similar question:
How often must a non-EU B permit holder (Class 2 i.e. EU country not officially treated as an EU17 country) return to CH in order to retain his current permit?
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Re: Permits and leaving CH (but maybe coming back)

talk to your commune, but we were told that we could leave for 3 months maxmum, at a time, and then we had to return to switzerland for 3 months minumum and only be ale to be out of the country for six months maximum in a year, or we have to deregister, so as an aussie, i lose my B-Permit and have to apply for a new visa and new permit when i return (in 9 months)
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Re: Permits and leaving CH (but maybe coming back)

I have a colleague with a B permit who is about to try to freeze their permit, so I will post about what happens.
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I have a colleague with a B permit who is about to try to freeze their permit, so I will post about what happens.
B permit can't be frozen, only C permits can.
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B permit can't be frozen, only C permits can.
Also A+ to our newbie for search function skills. Prior to his/her post, the thread was last updated in March of 2009. I do hope the OP figured it out by now.
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My colleague with the B-permit enquired over email about the possibility (explaining the reasons), and the response they received is that the request for freezing the permit is handled via an informal process. They should write a letter to Migrationsamt Basel-Stadt, explaining their circumstances, and include the evidence (work contract for temporary assignment, confirmation of place from university, as examples). Then Basel-Stadt will let them know the decision.


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