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Old 06.04.2006, 20:07
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Permits and leaving CH (but maybe coming back)

Hi,

anyone out there had experience of clearing off for a period of months and then coming back into Switzerland?

I'm planning on quitting my job here, it just doesn't offer what I want in terms of salary and personal/career development. Now, ideally I'd like to find something back in the British Isles and move there shortly after I quit. However, I'm realisitic enough to know that getting the _right_ job could take a while - and at the moment I've no desire to take a job just for the sake of having one: So I'm planning on going travelling for 3-4 months if nothing shows up by the time I've planned to quit my apartment (end Sept).

Now, when I come back I'll still be looking for work in the UK/Ireland. But ... I hold a 'C' permit which can remain valid for up to six months if I'm out of the country. I'd like to keep the door open with that permit to come back and do contract work in CH if the opportunity arose. I'd still have 2-3 months left on the permit by the time my travels were over.


What are the logistics and pitfalls of doing so, does anyone have any experience or knowlege to share here?

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Old 06.04.2006, 22:15
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Re: Permits and leaving CH (but maybe coming back)

Hi Gav,

The best people to check with are your Gemeinde - I think the period for the C permit is much longer (like a couple of years, but I'm not sure). Every now and then you could turn up and register at a friend's house to reset the time...
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Re: Permits and leaving CH (but maybe coming back)

One thing for sure is you will need to have your tax paid in full before you leave, if you want any hope of coming back.
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Re: Permits and leaving CH (but maybe coming back)

Yes tax is one thing but there are some others. If you apply at your Gemeinde you can have an extension which permits you to leave for a total of 24 months. During this 24 months you need not enter Switzerland or live here but you need to have a return address and somewhere to collect your mail. You are dropped from the requirement to complete the tax returns for any complete year which is within the 24 month period...

"Officially" returning within that 24 month period is not exactly advisable as it starts a tax clock going ie you need to fill in the forms which by the way you do even if you did not work within that year and are resident here...

I would suggest you remain registered here at a friends address claim unemployment and then if and when you find something in another country formally deregister.
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Re: Permits and leaving CH (but maybe coming back)

hi all! I recently had experienced something like that through a friend who went abroad looking for a job. You may de-register for up to 2 years. The exact amount of time though depends on a decision fom your gemeinde..You need somehow to tell them that you intend to leave and the reason. Normally the 2 yrs period should not be a problem. If you remain registered in a friend's address here that means that you still need to make a tax application at the end of the year plus pay the monthly krankenkasse! To get the benefits of unemployment I am afraid this is tricky to go there...you need to be reachable within 24 hrs...and be present at monthly discussions with a supervisor in RAV! So maybe it is better to unregister for 2 yrs. Pay taxes till the day you leave. The money from Pensionkasse will go to a private account you can take the back if you come back and place them in the pensionkasse of a new job or take them with you in case you decde to leave for ever:-)
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hi all! I recently had experienced something like that through a friend who went abroad looking for a job. You may de-register for up to 2 years. The exact amount of time though depends on a decision fom your gemeinde..You need somehow to tell them that you intend to leave and the reason. Normally the 2 yrs period should not be a problem. If you remain registered in a friend's address here that means that you still need to make a tax application at the end of the year plus pay the monthly krankenkasse! To get the benefits of unemployment I am afraid this is tricky to go there...you need to be reachable within 24 hrs...and be present at monthly discussions with a supervisor in RAV! So maybe it is better to unregister for 2 yrs. Pay taxes till the day you leave. The money from Pensionkasse will go to a private account you can take the back if you come back and place them in the pensionkasse of a new job or take them with you in case you decde to leave for ever:-)
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If I could come back to CH after my trip and *then* file an unemployement claim, I wouldn't mind keeping up the payment of the various taxes and insurances out of my own pocket. I don't suppose you know if that's possible?

It's not that I plan on being unemployed (in fact, if I get a decent job before I go travelling I'm likely to take it) but since I've paid my AHV for seven years I feel that I should be able to claim something back for it in the event of a period of unemployment.


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Yes tax is one thing but there are some others. If you apply at your Gemeinde you can have an extension which permits you to leave for a total of 24 months. During this 24 months you need not enter Switzerland or live here but you need to have a return address and somewhere to collect your mail. You are dropped from the requirement to complete the tax returns for any complete year which is within the 24 month period...

"Officially" returning within that 24 month period is not exactly advisable as it starts a tax clock going ie you need to fill in the forms which by the way you do even if you did not work within that year and are resident here...

I would suggest you remain registered here at a friends address claim unemployment and then if and when you find something in another country formally deregister.
Hi Richard, thanks for the info.

Does the address have to be in Switzerland, or would a contact address back in the UK be enough? How about a PO Box in Switzerland with the mail being forwarded to the UK?

It'd be great if I could stay 'resident' to claim unemployement benefit when I get back, but as sfiki points out below your post, it seems that you have to meet the criteria of being available for work at 24hrs notice and have a monthly meeting at the RAV.

Since I'm planning on being in various parts of the Southern Hemisphere for three months, this just isn't going to be possible.


What would be great would be if I could come back after three months and begin my unemployment claim then. However, I've got a feeling that even though the RAV won't pay me for three calendar months on account of my quitting myself, they will expect me to play by their rules whilst I'm waiting......I don't suppose if you know different?

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