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Australian (with Swiss Girlfriend) keen to get into Switzerland

Hi Everyone

Im a 28 year old Australian living in Sydney with my Swiss girlfriend (of 2 years). For the past 12 months we have been searching for different ways in which I could live and work in Switzerland, but we still havent found a solution.

Im keen to study German when I intially arrive, but will also need to earn a few dollars (to cover living costs and a small mortgage back in Australia), therfore the student visa isnt suitable. Im also not keen to be a nanny, so the au-pair visa isnt suitable.

Unfortunatley I dont have amazing uni qualifications either, therfore a sponsored working visa is unlikely (ive had a number of interviews already without luck)

Although marrige is not on the immediate cards, engagement could be. Ive read in other posts that some lawyers have managed to get people an engagement visa of sorts, can anyone shed light on this?

I'd really appreciate any advise or suggestions people can offer, after 12 months of research the best solution we can come up with is moving to germany, as I can get a 12 month visa there.

Thanks in advance
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Re: Australian (with Swiss Girlfriend) keen to get into Switzerland

U can register for 6 months and try to find work. If you don't find work in those 6 months u will have to leave again! Where do you want to move to? Get in contact with the Immigration Office in your canton and fill out the application to find work... :-)

Finding a job is not easy but I would suggest international companies maybe...the airport?
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Old 12.02.2009, 10:35
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Re: Australian (with Swiss Girlfriend) keen to get into Switzerland

Actually that is if you are from EU country. There are more restrictions in this posters case.
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Re: Australian (with Swiss Girlfriend) keen to get into Switzerland

Oh right, I forgot about that lol
My partner is dealing with the same but she's from the EU...haha....didn't even think of that lol Sorry...forget what I said then.
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Old 12.02.2009, 10:49
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If you can't or don't wish to get an independent work or study permit and you don't want to marry then you can apply as unmarried cohabitant but the chances of getting a permit through this route are very much reduced. There are no had and fast rules because the decision is totally at the individual canton's discretion based on your individual circumstances but from what I know you will have to prove not only a very long term relationship but also that you've cohabited for a long time - you will be asked to produce joint rent agreements and bills etc. You will also have to explain why you don't wish to marry. Engagement won't in and of itself guarantee acceptance but it may help your case as evidence of long term commitment. In other words you will probably be better off with it than without it. I've also heard pregnancy or children are no guarantee either. Your partner will have to prove she can support you financially and sign a surety agreement. I won't pretend it will be easy but you can always try. Just be realistic about your chances if you go for this route.
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Re: Australian (with Swiss Girlfriend) keen to get into Switzerland

Can I have some more infos about the defacto/cohabitation please? I tried to look it up at google for the canton Lucerne but couldn't find any infos. Thanks.
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Hmmm, i think you should seek a member named Blaze. He isn't from an EU country but somehow he manages to secure a job and lives in Switzerland. He might be able to help you.

Also, studying German before coming here could increase your chances in getting a job.
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Re: Australian (with Swiss Girlfriend) keen to get into Switzerland

All of my friends who wanted to move to Switzerland to be with the partners ended up getting married - that was pretty much the only solution. One of my friend's employer even engaged lawyers to help, and being engaged appeared to not be enough because they had to nominate a wedding date within 3 months, and the permit papers were then subject to the wedding papers being finalised.

What professional background do you have? If you have some skills that happen to be in demand here, that might be sufficient. But as you can imagine, now is not exactly the best time to look for work when most businesses are trying to cut back.

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Can I have some more infos about the defacto/cohabitation please? I tried to look it up at google for the canton Lucerne but couldn't find any infos. Thanks.
I'm not sure what you mean by more information. From what I know it's very much an exception rather than a rule for unmarried cohabitants to get a permit for a partner. Since each case is dealt with as an exception there is no road map in terms of hard and fast rules or policies. I know what I know from a conversation I once had with an immigration adviser in Vaud and I'm sure practice varies from canton to canton. I got the impression this route is only successful in exceptional cases so there's no guarantee that what may have worked in one place will fly in another, even if circumstances are similar. If I were you I'd go into your local gemeinde and see what they have to say.
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Re: Australian (with Swiss Girlfriend) keen to get into Switzerland

Forget Switzerland, it is cold, grey and a decent steak can cost up to $100 aus a kilo and dont even get me started on eating out . You can however get a carton of beer for less than 10 chf. If your heart is still set however in moving here, most of these posters are correct in that a marriage certificate is the most straightforward approach.
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Re: Australian (with Swiss Girlfriend) keen to get into Switzerland

I'm going to the Gemeinde tomorrow since me and my partner move! We have to register us at the new Gemeinde anyway and I will see what they tell me to do!
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...Although marrige is not on the immediate cards, engagement could be. ...
What is engagement if not a firm commitment to marry? So if there is an intention to enter into marriage (which after 2 years can not easily be dismissed as a hasty decision) and impervious immigration rules stand in the way of one's happiness, then why not just skip the engagement bit?

Call me old-fashioned, but it always amazes me how many administrative hoops people are willing to go through to avoid the most straighforward solution.

In the worst case scenario, I think there are also solutions for opting out of a bad marriage.
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What is engagement if not a firm commitment to marry? So if there is an intention to enter into marriage (which after 2 years can not easily be dismissed as a hasty decision) and impervious immigration rules stand in the way of one's happiness, then why not just skip the engagement bit?

Call me old-fashioned, but it always amazes me how many administrative hoops people are willing to go through to avoid the most straighforward solution.

In the worst case scenario, I think there are also solutions for opting out of a bad marriage.
True ... I would think that moving countries to be with someone you love is already a sign of commitment. So you could pretty much take the next step??

Though, perhaps you should come to Switzerland first as a tourist to see if you in fact like it here. You can stay in Switzerland as a tourist for no longer than 180 days a year, but only 90 days at a time with a 1 month break between each interval (you might have to check this).

But as Nev mentioned, your best bet is to speak directly with the Gemeinde to see what options you have.
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Re: Australian (with Swiss Girlfriend) keen to get into Switzerland

I asked the same question today, but I am old EU, and my partner too. Basically, it does depend on the kanton, but we were told you must be in a relationship, and have been living together for over two years. However, the two years does not have to be during the two recent years (in our case we lived separately for a while due to our places of work being too far apart). You must be able to prove the living together bit.

You must then proof that the main partner has 30,000 CHF in savings to support the other person, AND have a large enough income to support that person monthly (I remember 4200 brutto to be the minimum, but not 100% sure). The house also has to be large enough.

That said, I am also beginnning to think marriage is the easier route...
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Hi down there. I wouldn't totally rule out being a nanny. There is a need for more childcare here and many people are going for the nanny option. You can even use the fact that you speak english.... you do don't you?.... and tout your self as an english teaching nanny and you can even get a couple more francs an hour with that. Just check out the au pair/nanny thread on this forum for more details.
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Re: Australian (with Swiss Girlfriend) keen to get into Switzerland

Hi there,

I know your dilemma very well and it is not an easy one to answer. I am an Australian living in Zurich with my swiss boyfriend.

I tried many routes to get a visa, and eventually was granted a stagaires visa (or traineeship visa) for 18 months. To get this, you must be under 30 years of age and have a degree.

The visa is basically for young professionals who would like to gain further work experience in Switzerland. I am a speech therapist, and applied on the basis that I wanted to gain experience working with multilingual children. So you have to think about what degree you have, and what experience you could gain with that in switzerland.

You have to find an employer who is willing to apply for the stagaire visa for you and provide some form of mentoring/supervision and you also need to be paid the minimum wage for your profession, and work at least 80%.

After 18 months, you are supposed to return to your country, or marry your girlfriend if you would like to stay, or your employer may be able to sponsor you for a normal working visa (however this is a very lengthy process and not always successful).....

The website for this is:
http://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/...programme.html

I came initially on a tourist visa and studied german while applying for jobs...the whole process took 8 months, and i had to leave the country in between, but eventually I found someone who would sponsor me, so it has definitely been worth it...

Good luck!
Sarita
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Re: Australian (with Swiss Girlfriend) keen to get into Switzerland

Good luck with all this. Maybe it makes a difference which Kanton you move to. I,m from NZ, my Swiss girlfriend and I were living together in NZ for 6 months before she came back here. She moved back 5 months before me to start the new school year(she is a teacher). I applies for a tourist visa but included a letter saying that I,d like to stay , if possible. I also included proof that we had been living together in NZ. I had an address where I hoped to live once I got here . I recieved a "B" permit within a few weeks of getting here but quickly enrolled in an intensive German language course. I,ve been here two and a half years and been working 2 years. I have heard a few horror stories but thought it may encourage you to "go for it" if you hear that its not hard work for all people. I live in a small town it Thurgau .....I,ve no idea why its been easy for me but wish you the same good fortune.
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I'd love to do the inverse get an australian girlfriend. Marry and leave for australia for good. Finally getting away from this cold weather and to have access to the beautiful australian beaches !!!!
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There is a place down under, a magical place where women abound. They sit and call siren-like from their bar-stools trying to tempt men with a tinny. There you will find as many Aussie wenches as you can poke a stick at.
The name of this mystical place is, Mt Isa.
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I'd love to do the inverse get an australian girlfriend. Marry and leave for australia for good. Finally getting away from this cold weather and to have access to the beautiful australian beaches !!!!
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There is a place down under, a magical place where women abound. They sit and call siren-like from their bar-stools trying to tempt men with a tinny. There you will find as many Aussie wenches as you can poke a stick at.
The name of this mystical place is, Mt Isa.
Off yer go then!
Haha, yer can be such a mare Debs!
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