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Appeal for unlimited work permit is rejected

I had a work permit for 24 months. Three weeks ago, my company applied to get unlimited work permit for me.
Today the company received a work permit just for 12 months. They have not mentioned whether they have considered the appeal for unlimited work permit or not; no mention, if they had considered why the appeal is rejected.

My Questions:

1) Does it mean that I could never get unlimited work permit and this 12 months is a deadline for me?

2)If they would reject an application, do they provide any explanation of the rejection?

3)In new permit, they have not mentioned that I cannot change my job. Whereas in old one, they had mentioned. Does it mean that for this twelve months, I can change my job ?


For this appeal, my company sent a letter (Explaining why unlimited work permit is requested and essential), a confirmation from RAV, my diplomas and certificates.
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Old 12.03.2009, 19:01
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Re: Appeal for unlimited work permit is rejected

How do you know that your application for an unlimited permit has been rejected?
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Old 12.03.2009, 21:42
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How do you know that your application for an unlimited permit has been rejected?
Thanks Shorrick for your post.

As I mentioned in my post, we do not know why we received a work permit for 12 months and we do not know either what is happened to our application for unlimited work permit. We tried to call the responsible person, but he was not there.
So If our application would have been rejected, would we receive a letter about it ?
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Old 13.03.2009, 01:46
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Thanks Shorrick for your post.

As I mentioned in my post, we do not know why we received a work permit for 12 months and we do not know either what is happened to our application for unlimited work permit. We tried to call the responsible person, but he was not there.
So If our application would have been rejected, would we receive a letter about it ?
Well what does your permit say? Does it say anything like "not extendable past date xx.xx.xxxx"? All non-EU permits are initially issued with a 1 year validity period, moving up to two years after the fifth renewal.
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Well what does your permit say? Does it say anything like "not extendable past date xx.xx.xxxx"?
No. It does not say.

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All non-EU permits are initially issued with a 1 year validity period, moving up to two years after the fifth renewal.
Today, our HR called the Arbeitsamt in Zürich and they confirmed that due to high rate of unemployment, they cannot issue an unlimited work permit and my work permit can be extended on yearly basis.
So, According to Non-EU Sticky thread, at the end of third year or in certain case at the end of sixth year (What is certain case ? ) , either the permit will be changed in unlimited one or I would have to leave the country, if the authorities refuse to issue an unlimited permit?
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Today, our HR called the Arbeitsamt in Zürich and they confirmed that due to high rate of unemployment, they cannot issue an unlimited work permit and my work permit can be extended on yearly basis.
Well make sure that there's no one lost in translation there, as even "unlimited" permits are renewed on an yearly basis, there's no limit to the number of renewals however.

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So, According to Non-EU Sticky thread, at the end of third year or in certain case at the end of sixth year (What is certain case ? ) , either the permit will be changed in unlimited one or I would have to leave the country, if the authorities refuse to issue an unlimited permit?

"In certain cases" - the limited permits are issued for an initial maximum stay of three years, with a yearly renewal duty. The duration of stay can be extended by (a maximum of) three years once, similarly with a yearly renewal duty.

There's often a confusion between the yearly renewal obligation and the maximum stay period - they are two very different things.
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Old 13.03.2009, 16:35
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Well make sure that there's no one lost in translation there, as even "unlimited" permits are renewed on an yearly basis, there's no limit to the number of renewals however.

"In certain cases" - the limited permits are issued for an initial maximum stay of three years, with a yearly renewal duty. The duration of stay can be extended by (a maximum of) three years once, similarly with a yearly renewal duty.

There's often a confusion between the yearly renewal obligation and the maximum stay period - they are two very different things.
Thanks a million for your help.
What I and our HR had always in mind about unlimited (unbefristet ) work permit : a permit that allows me to work in Switzerland from xx.xx.xx unlimited: (without any validity duration). A permit that should not be renew every year through Arbeitsamt and with this permit, just the Aufenhaltsbewilligung B should be renewed yearly.
The thing that confuses me the most is that I had a work permit for two years without yearly renewal duty. I just renewed my B permit after first year.
I have not received my “Stellenantriitt” yet. How can I make sure I have unlimited work-permit or not?
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Old 13.03.2009, 16:48
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Thanks a million for your help.
What I and our HR had always in mind about unlimited (unbefristet ) work permit : a permit that allows me to work in Switzerland from xx.xx.xx unlimited: (without any validity duration). A permit that should not be renew every year through Arbeitsamt and with this permit, just the Aufenhaltsbewilligung B should be renewed yearly.
Well in principle if a maximum stay date (befristet bis xx.xx.xxxx) doesn't appear in your permit then it shouldn't be befristet.

The yearly renewal of the Aufenthaltbewilligung most certainly does not go through the Arbeitsamt but rather through whichever Kreisbureau you're assigned to.

The only thing that goes through Arbeitsamt is the extension of limited work permits (that in principle happens only once though, not several times).
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Well in principle if a maximum stay date (befristet bis xx.xx.xxxx) doesn't appear in your permit then it shouldn't be befristet.

The yearly renewal of the Aufenthaltbewilligung most certainly does not go through the Arbeitsamt but rather through whichever Kreisbureau you're assigned to.

The only thing that goes through Arbeitsamt is the extension of limited work permits (that in principle happens only once though, not several times).
Thanks again.

I attached my permit Attachment 6470. In the first line, there is : "Verlaengerung Aufenthalter Aug befristet", but it does say "befristet bis xx.xx.xxxx". It is a limited one; Right ? Would be any chance in next year ?
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Thanks again.

I attached my permit Attachment 6470. In the first line, there is : "Verlaengerung Aufenthalter Aug befristet", but it does say "befristet bis xx.xx.xxxx". It is a limited one; Right ? Would be any chance in next year ?
Yep as limited as one can get.

Tough to say for next year.
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Thanks again.

I attached my permit Attachment 6470. In the first line, there is : "Verlaengerung Aufenthalter Aug befristet", but it does say "befristet bis xx.xx.xxxx". It is a limited one; Right ? Would be any chance in next year ?

You are from a non Eu country so you are entitled to annual renewal of permit.It doesn't matter if you got "forever" work contract.
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You are from a non Eu country so you are entitled to annual renewal of permit.It doesn't matter if you got "forever" work contract.
I (As non-EU) am entitled to annual renewal of Aufenthaltsbewiligung B. You may get a work permit for X years. During these X years, your Aufenthaltsbewiligung B will be renewed provided that you had the job and did not committ a crime. After these x years, you should again renew your work permit.
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I (As non-EU) am entitled to annual renewal of Aufenthaltsbewiligung B. You may get a work permit for X years. During these X years, your Aufenthaltsbewiligung B will be renewed provided that you had the job and did not committ a crime. After these x years, you should again renew your work permit.

If you knew all these then why did you post this tread?
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If you knew all these then why did you post this tread?
Did you read exactly the initial post? My question was & is that why I got work permit just for one year after the old one which was valid for 2 years.
I just wanted to know whether somebody else had the same type of work permit or not.

I excepted to get an unlimited work permit, with which my Aufenthaltsbewilligungs B could be renewed yearly until I get the Aufenthaltsbewilligungs C.
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Yep as limited as one can get.

Tough to say for next year.
Hallo Shorrick,

I got today my stellenantritt.

The Zulassungscode of my work-permit was 1406, but the new one is 1402. Does it mean something?
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Hallo Shorrick,

I got today my stellenantritt.

The Zulassungscode of my work-permit was 1406, but the new one is 1402. Does it mean something?
I must say I'm not familiar with zulassungscodes unfortunately...
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Im dissapointed in you Shorrick....
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I must say I'm not familiar with zulassungscodes unfortunately...
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Im dissapointed in you Shorrick....
It is my fault that I posted such a technical question. I had first work permit with code 1406, and then I got 1402. I thought this type of work permit might have a special meaning. But later, I found New Table Of Work Permits.pdf (Very useful information. ): 1402 is a workpermit for duration of 365 days until unlimited for the people from Non-EU. With this workpermit, the person will get B permit. In other words, all the new work permits will be issued based on this table and work permit with code 1402 does not have a special meaning. By the way, this was Old Table Of Work Permits.pdf .
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you will have yearly B and after 5 years 2 year valid B.Simply.
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