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Old 30.04.2006, 00:20
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Re: Passport for blokes: when's good to do so?

So assuming you become a CH citizen at say, 37, for how long are you required to pay WPEG, that is given one is refused/unable to find Zivildienst duties? Is it really a life-long thing as Richard says?
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Re: Passport for blokes: when's good to do so?

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So assuming you become a CH citizen at say, 37, for how long are you required to pay WPEG, that is given one is refused/unable to find Zivildienst duties? Is it really a life-long thing as Richard says?
No, you have to pay from the year during which you are becoming 20 years old and until the end of the year on which you are becoming 40 years old.
http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/520_1/a13.html
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Old 02.05.2006, 10:41
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Re: Passport for blokes: when's good to do so?

There is another reason to apply for a Swiss passport, that is if you have kids. Our son was born here and has a C permit but if he leaves the country to go to University for 4 years when he is 18 then he will not have the automatic right to come back to live in the country of his birth and where he is being raised. This is something that we are having to think about.
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Old 03.05.2006, 10:35
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Re: Passport for blokes: when's good to do so?

Hi Lou,

He could stay registered in CH, or come back in the holidays, re-register and deregister at the end of the holidays? I'm sure in a case like this there could be exceptions made to the rules - after all kicking someone out of the country they are born in is a bit much.

Just get him to watch the film "Actung, Fertig, Charlie" and see if he still wants to become Swiss. On the positive side, at least he won't actually have to FIGHT in the military, so you won't be like mothers who are seeing their sons being sent off to eye-rack.

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Military Age and Facilitated Naturalization Question

Hey All,

Great forum. Found it by accident online. I am a Canadian that has been living in Basel for 3 years.

I was wondering if I get my citizenship through facilitated naturalization (I am married to a Swiss) will I have to do military service? I will be 31.

Also, what is the process for facilitated naturalization?
i.e
-how long does it take
-will I have to do exams
-will I have too make a certain income (I am working on a master's degree and not working at the moment)
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Re: Military Age and Facilitated Naturalization Question

Glad to have you aboard mate,

Discussed at great length here:

http://www.englishforum.ch/showthread.php?t=426

But short and sweet:

Legally you are eligible for military service, but at 31 they will probably put you down for civilian duties. More than likely they won't call you up, they will just get you to pay WPEG (3% of taxable income).

Facilitated naturalisation can take between 6 months and two years (closer to the latter).

You must prove local language proficiency and that you are integrated into the Swiss way of life.

Income is not really relevant, but it would be beneficial to show you are self-supporting (read not sponging off social security). You must have a clean criminal and financial history. You must have been married to your swiss miss for at least 3 years and have lived in Switzerland for 5 years.
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Old 01.06.2006, 01:50
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Re: Military Age and Facilitated Naturalization Question

I have to take a language test? in Swiss German?

I heard from somebody that if your married to a Swiss, that the facilitated naturalization process has no language proficiency test.

If it does has anybody taken this test?
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Old 01.06.2006, 08:43
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Re: Military Age and Facilitated Naturalization Question

I don't think there is a formal test as such, and the authorities will never expect you to learn Swiss German, only High German. From what I understand, there is an interview involved, most likely in Bern. The interview will be conducted in either French, Italian or German ( they would be really impressed if you managed to learn one of the Raeto-Romanisch dialects in 5 years).

If you can't communicate in one of these languages, you might have a problem getting approval. Having said that, if you can't communicate in one of these languages after 5 years here then you are doing yourself a big disfavour.

I am about 4 months from starting the process, so I will most likely document the process in this forum as I go along. But if you are two years away, I wouldn't be worrying about it right now.
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Re: Military Age and Facilitated Naturalization Question

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I have to take a language test? in Swiss German?

I heard from somebody that if your married to a Swiss, that the facilitated naturalization process has no language proficiency test.

If it does has anybody taken this test?
I know that my friend, who is married to a Swiss, did have to take a language test. He wasn't expected to be fluent but was expected to be able to hold a basic conversation in Swiss German.
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Re: Military Age and Facilitated Naturalization Question

from your other thread, you're planning to go back anyway so why bother? seriously, because you won't be prevented coming back being married to a Swissie.

There is usually an interview for becoming Swiss be it as someone married to a Swissie or not. It just depends on how big your community is and if they already know you and ..... if they can be bothered.

I know people who've done it with a test and people who've been lucky and not needed one.
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Re: Military Age and Facilitated Naturalization Question

Ok guys,

Litespeed did originally highlight that this was being discussed on another thread, so rather than have two conversations running about the same thing I am going to merge this thread back to the one litespeed originally referenced.

Baselboy - please remember the basic unwritten rule of forums - if it's being discussed already discuss it on that thread, don't start a new one for the same purpose. Tip: use the search function, or just look down the list of posts, the original one was about 6 posts under your own.
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Old 01.06.2006, 16:01
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Re: Military Age and Facilitated Naturalization Question

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I know that my friend, who is married to a Swiss, did have to take a language test. He wasn't expected to be fluent but was expected to be able to hold a basic conversation in Swiss German.
I would be very suprised if your friend was expected to use Swiss German instead of High German. Swiss German has numerous dialects and is NOT an official language. One of the official languages is all that is required. Having said that, it would give you brownie points if you could show that you understand a dialect, and mega brownie points if you could talk in a dialect and be understood by the interviewer.
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I would be very suprised if your friend was expected to use Swiss German instead of High German. Swiss German has numerous dialects and is NOT an official language. One of the official languages is all that is required. Having said that, it would give you brownie points if you could show that you understand a dialect, and mega brownie points if you could talk in a dialect and be understood by the interviewer.
He definatley told me they expected him to hold the conversation in Swiss German & not High German. Whether he would have failed if he only spoke High German I presume not; it's probably like most things here: depends who you get on the day!
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He definatley told me they expected him to hold the conversation in Swiss German & not High German. Whether he would have failed if he only spoke High German I presume not; it's probably like most things here: depends who you get on the day!
I'm afraid that I have to side with Litespeed on that one! If it were me in that situation and I got the feeling because I refused to speak Swiss German rather than high German I'd be immediately knocking on the door of the Migrationsamt to file a complaint.

As Litespeed pointed out Swiss German (despite what some people seem to think) is not a national language in this country!

If your friend had asked to be tested in French then they should have tested him in French. After all - they all did years and years of it at school. Right? lol... As far as I am aware the choice of national language is up to the candidate not the interviewer!

Mind you, it must be pretty hard to fail the test...
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Re: Military Age and Facilitated Naturalization Question

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He definatley told me they expected him to hold the conversation in Swiss German & not High German. Whether he would have failed if he only spoke High German I presume not; it's probably like most things here: depends who you get on the day!
I spoke to the department who handles "facilitated naturalization" in Berne today.

There is NO language tests or other "tests" of any nature. All decisions are handled by the Confederation i.e "the office in Berne". Facilitated Naturalization (assuming you are married to a Swiss) does NOT involve the community or kanton at all (they can have a right to be heard but that's it, they have no say). In Basel, the police due a quick security check and Berne handles the rest. It is a very simple procedure if you are a spouse of a Swiss citizen born here (not an immigrant and then became Swiss, THIS requires language test/interview).

If you are married to a Swiss, they would "hope" for you to be "integrated" into the society and are able to "hopefully" manage a Swiss language BUT even if you do not speak 1 of the 3 languages you can STILL get citizenship as they want you to be involved into society more important I was told.

You fill out forms and send them back to Berne and it can take "up to" 1 year but is usually completed within 3 months if you have no issues which would require longer waiting. The cost is 750chf.

This is the info I got directly speaking with Berne today.
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Re: Military Age and Facilitated Naturalization Question

I can only tell you what he told me, it was quite a few years ago that he got his passport so maybe things have changed in the meantime!! On a side note he only applied for his Swiss passport because after living here for 5 year he was refused a C permit. No C but full citizenship, go figure
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I can only tell you what he told me, it was quite a few years ago that he got his passport so maybe things have changed in the meantime!! On a side note he only applied for his Swiss passport because after living here for 5 year he was refused a C permit. No C but full citizenship, go figure
it's amusing what a years' worth of tax can buy you here
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Re: Military Age and Facilitated Naturalization Question

Interesting information Baselboy. I think 750 francs for something you have an automatic right to is a bit steep, especially all the extra cash you are going to be shelling out until the end of your Wehrpflicht...

I do find it interesting that they officially make a difference between a "real Swiss" (one born here) and one that became Swiss afterwards (immigrant). To my mind you are either a citizen of a country or your are not. End of story. I was naturalised as an Australian when I was 12. I'm no less Australian than someone descended from the convicts . Mind you, if I married my wife would get an Aussie passport straight away, and it wouldn't take long at all, and it wouldn't cost CHF750!

But at least you don't have to jump through all the hoops that people have to follow on the "normal" track.

By the way - if you think you are somehow going to accepted by the Swiss because you have a passport (or a Swiss wife) think again... It's going to cost you an awful lot of money over the next 10-12 years. Think about it carefully...
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Or saying that you are going to represent Switzerland in a sporting event...
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Re: Military Age and Facilitated Naturalization Question

Lou, I don't doubt your friend, and I know what you mean by "who you get on the day". But as Mark said, it would be grounds for an appeal if refused, something facilitated applicants have a right to.

Funny enough, I was reading a couple of months ago that the son-in-law of a high-profile member of the Bundesrat (the one who luuuuuvvves foreigners ) was refused facilitated citizenship. Why? Because he had too many registered debts.

Given that citizenship is like adoption (once your a citizen, its really hard to get rid of you) its seems no suprise that Switzerlands biggest concern is this: are you a financial liability?

So, just work hard, pay all your taxes and bills, keep some money in the bank...you'll be just fine.
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