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Old 30.03.2007, 07:33
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Facilitated Naturalisation (five years without interruption?)

I, a foreigner had worked in Switzerland (with a B permit) for more than three years, then left Switzerland for three years, and later married a Swiss and now back.
Will the time that I worked in Switzerland at the very beginning be counted for the facilitated naturalisation? In other words, shall I apply for the Swiss citizenship after three years of stable marriage, or after five years?
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Re: Facilitated Naturalisation (five years without interruption?)

the requirements for facilitated naturalisation are at least 3 years marriage and 5 years uninterrupted residence in switzerland or if you've been living abroad while being married to a swiss you have to demonstrate that you have close ties to switzerland and at least be married for 6 years. For more details see the site below...hope this has helped....

http://www.bfm.admin.ch/
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Old 19.09.2007, 21:10
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Facilitated Naturalisation - But Moving Cantons

What I know:
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1. Facilitated Naturalisation is handled at the Federal Level. So the final decision is a Federal one.

2. Need to be married for 3 years, lived for 5 years, last year of which uninterrupted, etc..

What I am not sure about:
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1. Does moving Gemeinde's have any impact on Facilitated Naturalisation like it does on Regular Naturalisation. Given the Federal decision I would think not but need to be sure about this.

2. Do the Kantons & Gemeinde's play any passive role in the process if not an active one?

Looking for some enlightenment..thanks..
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Old 20.09.2007, 10:42
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Re: Facilitated Naturalisation - But Moving Cantons

You read my mind! Just last night I was thinking about this and was going to post a similar question today. I am about to submit my app and will most likely be moving to another kanton in January. My plan has been to send a letter to the address on the application once we move with the new address, but would also love to hear if anyone has any info on this.
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Old 22.09.2007, 19:51
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Re: Facilitated Naturalisation - But Moving Cantons

Music Mole

I am considering contacting my local Gemeinde before I move to play it safe.

Still hoping someone on this forum has been through this process before.
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What I know:
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1. Facilitated Naturalisation is handled at the Federal Level. So the final decision is a Federal one.

2. Need to be married for 3 years, lived for 5 years, last year of which uninterrupted, etc..

What I am not sure about:
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1. Does moving Gemeinde's have any impact on Facilitated Naturalisation like it does on Regular Naturalisation. Given the Federal decision I would think not but need to be sure about this.

2. Do the Kantons & Gemeinde's play any passive role in the process if not an active one?

Looking for some enlightenment..thanks..
While this is a decision at Federal level both your Gemeinde (commune) and Kanton have the right to be heard and right of appeal. I presume that you are referring to moving during the process and, if so, this would seem likely to disrupt the process as, if it was underway and you moved, it would obviously have to start again.
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Old 23.09.2007, 11:54
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While this is a decision at Federal level both your Gemeinde (commune) and Kanton have the right to be heard and right of appeal. I presume that you are referring to moving during the process and, if so, this would seem likely to disrupt the process as, if it was underway and you moved, it would obviously have to start again.
Well actually was refering to moving let's say 2-3 years before the process even begins.

So am I right to deduce that having moved cantons a some point in the past is not going to affect the 'total numbers of years' requirement at the Federal level?
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Old 23.09.2007, 15:36
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Well actually was refering to moving let's say 2-3 years before the process even begins.

So am I right to deduce that having moved cantons a some point in the past is not going to affect the 'total numbers of years' requirement at the Federal level?
Moving would not seem to matter. See this link and it refers to residence in Switzerland and not any particular Kanton.
On the application forms I have it requests certificates of residence from the communes where you have been resident for the last 5 years.
There is an e-mail link on the site and if you ask for the necessary forms they will send them and this will tell you all you need to know.
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Old 23.09.2007, 17:46
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Moving would not seem to matter. See this link and it refers to residence in Switzerland and not any particular Kanton.
On the application forms I have it requests certificates of residence from the communes where you have been resident for the last 5 years.
There is an e-mail link on the site and if you ask for the necessary forms they will send them and this will tell you all you need to know.
Thanks very much for feedback. Cheers!
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Old 26.09.2007, 06:49
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Well my Facilitated Naturalisation application has just taken a turn for the worst....
Litespeed, I am really sorry to hear your bad news, but I applaud your openness. Sometimes I feel like I am the only one who airs her dirty laundry, and for my own protection (and at the criticism of others) I have tried to stop. Holding everything in, however, is eating me up!

It has taken me forever to be able to comment on my personal situation, and I still can't let it all flow, but here goes.

It looks like I can forget my Swiss naturalization!

A while ago, I received a letter and 2 documents to sign. One document says that I am still living with my husband and intend to stay like that, with no intention of leaving. *Moving out at this point would of course cancel my eligibility for the Swiss passport. Moving out after receiving it would cancel it also, as they can take it away from you at any time during the 5-year period after giving it to you.

The other document states that I am legally A-OK with everything in the USA, have filed my taxes or am in the process of getting it done. (I had mentioned during my interview that I needed to clear up this matter).

The good thing to come out of this has been that I decided to get active and tackle my unfiled taxes issue. Bad thing out of that is that the man doing my taxes was a disgusting pervert (to be discussed in another thread).

I don't think I can sign the form about staying with my husband the next 5 years. We have a very difficult relationship and I don't see that he is going to change. I have been taking back control over my life since January 2006 and each day I feel more and more in touch with myself. I am not a liar, so I cannot sign this form. Bye-bye facilitated naturalization. If I really want, and if I'm still around some years from now, I can try for the normal one. I'm pretty sure that will be the case. I am much happier here than in the States.

This is my home even if nobody has adopted me yet!

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It looks like I can forget my Swiss naturalization!

A while ago, I received a letter and 2 documents to sign. One document says that I am still living with my husband and intend to stay like that, with no intention of leaving. *Moving out at this point would of course cancel my eligibility for the Swiss passport. Moving out after receiving it would cancel it also, as they can take it away from you at any time during the 5-year period after giving it to you.
Um this is not quite correct. You need to sign to say you are living jointly and that you do not intend to break up. The fact that post naturalization you do break up will then be examined depending on how long it was after you became a citizen, why you broke up etc. They don't just go and take it away you know...

The primary reason for this is really down to naughty Swiss men who imported themselves a wife from some exotic country and as soon as she was Swiss and "protected" (aka saved?!) they divorced and got another one.

The fact that you are a from a 1 st world country puts you in a better position. Of course if you are in the process of splitting up then better not sign that letter...
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Old 27.09.2007, 06:09
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Well my Facilitated Naturalisation application has just taken a turn for the worst....


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It looks like I can forget my Swiss naturalization!

so... I'm reading this thread from page one and suddenly in a matter of last few posts person's life turns upside down.
who needs to read books !

sad stories either way you look at it.


well, good luck to both of you.
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Re: Military Age and Facilitated Naturalization Question

Thank you for wishing me good luck, but my life story is not a sad one so don't feel sorry for me! I am working up a doozy, as we say! This is one of those "coming of age" stories where the person fights against all odds and WINS! The only thing that keeps me going is praying that the pay-off is going to be so worth it. I know if I keep doing the right thing, my efforts will be rewarded. God wants us all to be ourselves and to make ourselves happy.

I have bought the last Rocky, "Rocky Balboa," and twice put it in to watch it and ended up falling asleep out of pure exhaustion. But that's ok. It's a Hollywood film and I know the principal: Our kid comes from the gutter, is poor, hungry, determined, has no support......works hard, sucks it up, becomes a champ and everybody loves him!

Hell, even Orphan Annie gets adopted by Daddy Warbucks! But until then....
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so... I'm reading this thread from page one and suddenly in a matter of last few posts person's life turns upside down.
who needs to read books !

sad stories either way you look at it.


well, good luck to both of you.
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Old 27.09.2007, 12:15
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Re: Facilitated Naturalisation - But Moving Cantons

I just received official confirmation of this from the office of:

DEPARTEMENT FEDERAL DE JUSTICE ET POLICE DFJP
OFFICE FEDERAL DES MIGRATIONS ODM
Section Naturalisation

Moving cantons or gemeinde does not impact the facilitated naturalisation process.

The logic being: Since your partner is Swiss and moving with you, you simply move with your partner. One enjoys the same privilege as the Swiss spouse, who is ofcourse free to move.
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Facilitated Naturalisation - How LONG is the process

Hi Guys

I was wondering how long it took some of you to get the CH Passport from the time you applied until you received it?

I have been hearing stories of people waiting for upto 2 years? Some other have had the good fortune of waiting for only a few months?

Please share your experience my facilitated brothers and sisters!
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Old 07.12.2007, 16:22
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Re: Facilitated Naturalisation - How LONG is the process

Well, first off you don't receive a passport. You become a Swiss national, that entitles you to a Swiss pasport, if you want one. I have never had one, only an ID card.

It took 14 months in 1995.
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Re: Facilitated Naturalisation - How LONG is the process

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Did you also have to apply for the ID card separately? Or was that part of the 'becoming a Swiss National' process?

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Did you also have to apply for the ID card separately? Or was that part of the 'becoming a Swiss National' process?

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No that was separate and done through the twon hall and cost extra...
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Re: Facilitated Naturalisation - How LONG is the process

Hello!
I applied spring 02 and got mine in spring 05.
It was a facilitated one as I applied before I turned 25 and so it was quick... AHAHAH :-) It cost about 1000 CHF too. Over 25 was have been more expensive.

As said, you getthe Swiss nationality. Then you apply separately for passport and ID or whatever you need.

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confused about naturalisation and permits [married to a Swiss]

hello, I have two questions. I have a South African passport and am currently a B permit holder. I am married to a Swiss since July 2000 and have registered the marriage in switzerland immediately. We have two girls who also have swiss passports.
A: Do I still need to get a Schengen visa to visit EU countries? If so, where and how do I best go about it.
B: We have just relocated to switzerland last year, do i qualify for a swiss passport, as we have been married and lived abroad for more than 6 years? or do I have to wait the 5 year period of living here before qualifying?
Any info appreciated.
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