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Old 06.06.2009, 18:50
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Schengen Visa Extension (40 days to 80)

Hi folks,

My girlfriend is here in Switzerland on a Schengen Visa and we want to extend her stay. I've read contradictory things on the interwebs so far and was wondering if anyone has real experience doing this.

The particulars:
  • She is South African...and white (which I hate to say matters, but I think it does in CH)
  • She is a permanent resident of South Africa
  • She is a student in South Africa
  • She is not currently employed in South Africa
  • The visa was issued in America in March (where she was working)
  • She is now in Switzerland
  • The visa expires 7 July
  • She entered Switzerland 2 June
  • I am American here on a C-Permit
  • We plan to get an American B1/B2 for a two week trip this August
We were planning on heading down to the Canton Immigration Office this coming week to extend the visa, but want to do so fully prepared and informed.

Thank you all kindly for your informed input!

Stu
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Old 08.06.2009, 10:21
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Re: Schengen Visa Extension (40 days to 80)

A friend has commented to us verbally on this topic, and now I am not so sure we need an extension. It comes down to the anatomy on the Schengen visa itself, and what is what.

Below is my girlfriend's visa

A: From Date
B: To Date
C: Duration

Do we even need an extension? The 'to date' is in late August, which works for us. But the duration is 40 days. I am inclined to interpret the visa as "valid for 40-days, entry between 25 May and 24 August". But our mate suggests that the visa reads "valid stay in Schengen from 25 May and 24 August, planned 40 day stay but up to 90 is OK".

If I am correct, we need an extension. If our friend is correct, we are stressed about nothing.


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Re: Schengen Visa Extension (40 days to 80)

Technically your girlfriend will be illegal as from the 10th july if she stays on in Switzerland or the schengen space, as her 40 days will be up. Best try and get an extension. The "to" and 'from" dates on the visa only refers to the period in which she can travel in and out of the schengen zone using her 40 days. As she will be staying 40 days continuously in Switzerland, the 40 days will be finished by the 10th july.
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hey peach.
I am your verbal friend, currently in the same predicament, and working on it. Will let you know asap, but looks like the extension is the safest bet!

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A friend has commented to us verbally on this topic, and now I am not so sure we need an extension. It comes down to the anatomy on the Schengen visa itself, and what is what.

Below is my girlfriend's visa

A: From Date
B: To Date
C: Duration

Do we even need an extension? The 'to date' is in late August, which works for us. But the duration is 40 days. I am inclined to interpret the visa as "valid for 40-days, entry between 25 May and 24 August". But our mate suggests that the visa reads "valid stay in Schengen from 25 May and 24 August, planned 40 day stay but up to 90 is OK".

If I am correct, we need an extension. If our friend is correct, we are stressed about nothing.


Questions like this are best referred to a person of authority. A definitive answer, in writing, from an authority in immigration should solve the mystery.
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Old 22.06.2009, 10:46
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hey guys

Okay, here is what happened to me:

I found out I needed to go to the 'Service de la Population'.
I went to the one in Lausanne and was pleased when I saw
the "tourist visa prolongment 3rd floor" sign. Upon arriving
the man who consulted with me was really rude and said
there was no way I could extend. When I tried to ask why
I was told "no". I tried to mention I had friends in the same
predicament in Zurich to which he replied "go to Zurich then"?????
I was confused, but not giving up.
I travelled all the way to Geneva the next day to try consult with
the office there, but was told immediately it could only be resolved
in Lausanne.
So back to Lausanne I went. I was met by the same grumpy fellow
but this time had my boyfriend in tow, so he was not so vicious.
This time he asked me why I'd like to extend the visa. I replied
I would like to do more travelling in his beautiful country and
as my boyfriends siblings were visiting in July would like to
stay to see them. I had every necessary peice of documentation
to support my cause, which I offered to him.
He rejected, said no, and walked away.

Let me know if you have more luck.
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Re: Schengen Visa Extension (40 days to 80)

It is a normal "NO". Visa can be extended technically only in case of medical emergencies. It needs to be extended by the country where you reside in generally or from the country you have a passport from, in your case a new Visa will be Issued.

But as this is Switzerland - you can still try. (as you can always say that you need the extension only for Switzerland). Otherwise seek for a Permit L or B showing that you intend to get married.

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@FlyBoy: Yea, that was my read too. And as you can see from my mate's (the1whojadedu) experience, she has come around to our interpretations.

The consensus, my googling and @the1whojadedu's firsthand experience leave me with two solid interpretations:
  1. The visa my girlfriend has valid only for 40 days. Full stop. (We'd have gone for a longer period of time if we'd known about this 'no extension' thing beforehand. Hindsight is a beautiful thing. Lesson learned.)
  2. Extensions don't happen unless there is a damn good reason...something beyond "I'd like to stay longer". This is not just a Swiss-specific policy, but applies in all the Schengen Zone.
Life is about the fine print. Sigh...

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Questions like this are best referred to a person of authority. A definitive answer, in writing, from an authority in immigration should solve the mystery.
Whatever.

Your faith in the absolute correctness in the bureaucracy is quaint. I'd bet a case of beer than even if we did get a "Sure, stay for longer than 40-days" letter from the Cantonal Immigration office that, upon leaving the country with said letter in hand, my girlfriend would be in a pickle.

Anecdotal experiences and opinions from others has value for questions like these, and that is why we have this forum.

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Whatever.

Your faith in the absolute correctness in the bureaucracy is quaint. I'd bet a case of beer than even if we did get a "Sure, stay for longer than 40-days" letter from the Cantonal Immigration office that, upon leaving the country with said letter in hand, my girlfriend would be in a pickle.

Anecdotal experiences and opinions from others has value for questions like these, and that is why we have this forum.
So you think your GF would be better off when departing the country saying "well the guys on the English Forum think it's ok" rather than "well here's a letter from the Migrationsamt in ..."?? I'm sure that Google and the EF is the definitive source of information!!

The Swiss respect officialdom. If you have a letter from an official (and relevant) authority that you are eligible to do something, another agency would be hard-pressed to give you a hard time. I'd be quite happy to take you up on the bet...

But, as you say, whatever...continue with your googling. Mrs. D generally gives fairly sound advice around here. You could do worse than to take heed.

Finally, coming on here and asking a question and then groaning at people who take the trouble to reply (with good intentions rather than some of the cynical answers that you may get around here, well that just displays a real lack of courtesy.
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Your faith in the absolute correctness in the bureaucracy is quaint. I'd bet a case of beer than even if we did get a "Sure, stay for longer than 40-days" letter from the Cantonal Immigration office that, upon leaving the country with said letter in hand, my girlfriend would be in a pickle.
Well I bet you are wrong. An official letter from someone of authority does carry weight. What experience do you have to suggest anything else?

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Anecdotal experiences and opinions from others has value for questions like these, and that is why we have this forum.
I agree, but not to groan at people who give you solid advice that you just happen to disagree with.
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So you think your GF would be better off when departing the country saying "well the guys on the English Forum think it's ok" rather than "well here's a letter from the Migrationsamt in ..."?? I'm sure that Google and the EF is the definitive source of information!!
Yes. And your faith in the infallibility of said bureaucracies is equally quaint.

Seriously, you are proposing that I ask someone at the Migrationsamt to write a letter telling me "no, you cannot stay beyond the 40 days that your visa says you are allowed to stay"? Seriously? Or have you just skimmed over this thread, missing out on the gist of everything, just to chastise me for 'moaning'? That's my bet.


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The Swiss respect officialdom. If you have a letter from an official (and relevant) authority that you are eligible to do something, another agency would be hard-pressed to give you a hard time. I'd be quite happy to take you up on the bet...
Firstly, the Swiss are new to Schengen, lots of rules have changed, and the authorities still getting their ducks quacking to the same tune.

Secondly, at what point do they not? If there is a typo and it says 900 days rather than 90? An endless list of official hypothetical contradictions are possible. And the penalties are high.

Lastly but most importantly, it is not just a Swiss law/rule, but an international Schengen thing. Are the exit immigrations folks in other Schengen countries going to accept some hypothetical letter with bad information from a local Swiss bureaucrat?

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But, as you say, whatever...continue with your googling.
No, no more googling. The question was settled, as I noted above. I am 100% confident that the visa is good for 40 days and no more. Furthermore, there is just no way I'm going to waste my time, or that of a Canotal Immigration official documenting this fact.

The visa itself is the document that is important. Much more so than anything we may or may not be able to suck out of a compliant local official.

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Finally, coming on here and asking a question and then groaning at people who take the trouble to reply (with good intentions rather than some of the cynical answers that you may get around here, well that just displays a real lack of courtesy.
I found her post trite and unhelpful. Useless. A waste of space. So I 'groaned'. I assume she is an adult and will survive...then again, maybe she'll lose sleep over it? Rant and rave for weeks to anybody who'll listen? I'll never know....sigh...

Time to move on. Over and out.
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Re: Schengen Visa Extension (40 days to 80)

Once a friend needed to extend the visa 1 more day due to flight date change, and it was quite straightforward and easy.
But extending longer I'd suspect.
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.... But the duration is 40 days...
Hi,
Sorry if my question is out of the ordinary, I am gathering info about schengen visa cause my girlfriend will need it, and I donont understand why your visa is duration 40 days. I thought the visa is given for 6 months and you can only use up to 90 days, no? I am getting information from this site http://www.euro-dollar-currency.com/schengen_visa.htm where they say what I said about the 90 days in regards to the Schengen visa.
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Hi,
Sorry if my question is out of the ordinary, I am gathering info about schengen visa cause my girlfriend will need it, and I donont understand why your visa is duration 40 days. I thought the visa is given for 6 months and you can only use up to 90 days, no? I am getting information from this site http://www.euro-dollar-currency.com/schengen_visa.htm where they say what I said about the 90 days in regards to the Schengen visa.
The pre-departure attached-to-passport full-Schengen-application visa is for a few more days than the dates are applied for. If we had applied for 90 days we likely would have been granted 90 days.

(Sorry so long to reply.)
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Re: Schengen Visa Extension (40 days to 80)

Dear friend the best way was that you asked the embassy or immigration office directly and explained your reasons to extend via mail and ask to advise you, meanwhile There is little helpful things there regard to extending visa :

http://www.immihelp.com/visas/scheng...plication.html
give us the feedback it may help others

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hey guys

Okay, here is what happened to me:

I found out I needed to go to the 'Service de la Population'.
I went to the one in Lausanne and was pleased when I saw
the "tourist visa prolongment 3rd floor" sign. Upon arriving
the man who consulted with me was really rude and said
there was no way I could extend. When I tried to ask why
I was told "no". I tried to mention I had friends in the same
predicament in Zurich to which he replied "go to Zurich then"?????
I was confused, but not giving up.
I travelled all the way to Geneva the next day to try consult with
the office there, but was told immediately it could only be resolved
in Lausanne.
So back to Lausanne I went. I was met by the same grumpy fellow
but this time had my boyfriend in tow, so he was not so vicious.
This time he asked me why I'd like to extend the visa. I replied
I would like to do more travelling in his beautiful country and
as my boyfriends siblings were visiting in July would like to
stay to see them. I had every necessary peice of documentation
to support my cause, which I offered to him.
He rejected, said no, and walked away.

Let me know if you have more luck.

When i renewed my visa last week, the guy has the same description as this and i bet its because i wasnt with my fiance. He even asked quite loud "You will have to pay some amount for this, you know that right?" And with very high left brow at that!
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