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Ci permit - what happens next?

Hi,

Thanks to all those who put the effort and provide expertise/guidance.

My situation is as below:

Age 23, entered CH 10/2004 (Carte Legitimation). Started job 2/2008 (Ci Permit). What are my options in regards to transferring to a more secure permit (i.e "C" or "B")?

Oct 2009 = 5 years in CH.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

P.S. Nationality: USA
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Re: Ci permit - what happens next?

According to http://www.geneve.ch/permis/uk/autorisations_uk.asp, with a Ci permit you would be a person that got the permit under the following conditions:

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Work permit for the spouse of an employee of an international organisation, living as part of a family unit, and children under 21 years
You should be able to get a B-permit quite easy, but a C-permit would be harder, as:

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Status: B PERMIT LONG-TERM WORK PERMIT. SUBJECT TO QUOTA
Duration: Renewable until granting of settlement C permit after 10 years (USA + Canada 5 years)
In short, if they follow the rules on the website, you would only be able to get the C-permit after having had a B-permit for more than 5 years. However, they might make an exception, since you have had a Ci permit and you have already been here more than 5 years. But the only way you can know for sure, is to contact "l'Office cantonal de la population" in Geneva (http://www.ge.ch/ocp/contact.html)
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In short, if they follow the rules on the website, you would only be able to get the C-permit after having had a B-permit for more than 5 years. However, they might make an exception, since you have had a Ci permit and you have already been here more than 5 years. But the only way you can know for sure, is to contact "l'Office cantonal de la population" in Geneva (http://www.ge.ch/ocp/contact.html)
Time spent on a Ci (or legitimation card) counts toward the years requisite for a C permit without any sort of exception.
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Re: Ci permit - what happens next?

Wow, this is great news.

Thanks for clearing it up for me.

Now to sum it again. Based on what has been written here by fellow forum members, I will be able to apply for the "C" permit once my 5 years is complete, which will be in October 2009.

Now I have been told it would be harder for me to move from jobs if I were on a "B" permit as that would be hit with foreign quota regulations. Is this correct?

If I were to obtain a "B" permit would I still be able to transfer to a "C" after October 2009?

Thanks again!
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Now I have been told it would be harder for me to move from jobs if I were on a "B" permit as that would be hit with foreign quota regulations. Is this correct?
No, it is not.

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If I were to obtain a "B" permit would I still be able to transfer to a "C" after October 2009?

Thanks again!
Yes.
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Re: Ci permit - what happens next?

Ok great. This is good info and great news for me.

Thanks again
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Re: Ci permit - what happens next?

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...What are my options in regards to transferring to a more secure permit (i.e "C" or "B")?...
Are there benefits to transferring to a B or C permit? I thought that Ci permit gave you the same rights as regular C permit as long as you were married to a carte de legitimation holder.
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Are there benefits to transferring to a B or C permit? I thought that Ci permit gave you the same rights as regular C permit as long as you were married to a carte de legitimation holder.
Well I am not married to my father

Furthermore, I technically lose this once I turn 25.

My current employer also can not hire me on a permanent contract due to their agreement with OCP. They need a "C" permit holder or Swiss national. As far as they are considered, my permit is dependent on another person and that is a HR "risk".

Hope this helped clarify.
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My current employer also can not hire me on a permanent contract due to their agreement with OCP. They need a "C" permit holder or Swiss national.
There is something very fishy there as this sort of restriction can not be imposed to a Ci holder - in all respects a Ci must be treated like a C (well, save for taxation).
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There is something very fishy there as this sort of restriction can not be imposed to a Ci holder - in all respects a Ci must be treated like a C (well, save for taxation).
I agree. However, they adamantly state that it would not be possible to hire me on a permanent basis.

This is the story HR is giving me. I agree with what you noted.

Btw, I also pay taxes - my diplomatic immunity and tax laws only apply to me outside of my work place.
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I agree. However, they adamantly state that it would not be possible to hire me on a permanent basis.

This is the story HR is giving me. I agree with what you noted.

Btw, I also pay taxes - my diplomatic immunity and tax laws only apply to me outside of my work place.
Having a temp contract *could* be a hindrance as far as getting a permit is concerned. Also i'd'review critically my faithfulness to an employer who is blatantly lying to me.

You do pay taxes, however at source and not ex-post, unlike *plain* C'permits...
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Re: Ci permit - what happens next?

Ok, I double checked on it and its an internal policy evidently. I work for a huge multinational based in Geneva, so I doubt they are actually lying...regardless, Im gonna have my fingers crossed and see what happens. any other guidance advice would be appreciated.

thanks again.
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Re: Ci permit - what happens next?

Upping the old topic...

Just this week I was told by HR of some very major R&D company that they will avoid me at all costs because of my Ci permit, and whatever does it guarantee on paper, in real life it is too much of a fuss.
Some other HR people scoffed at that and said that this is highly unprofessional. This way or that way, this sort of response exists.
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