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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

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The current / older format does not negate your right to say here, only says you need to "upgrade" in order to use it outside CH for travel / ID purposes.
I'd say even for ID purposes inside other countries. The only people who may possibly end up being anal about it are airport border guards, and even they won't be a problem anymore starting March.
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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

Here is the info for those living in Basel Stadt:

http://www.bdm.bs.ch/aktuelles.htm

With a brochure showing the new format and FAQ (in German):

http://www.bdm.bs.ch/broschuere_naa_deutsch.pdf
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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

in one hand, they are allowed to ask for an upgrade of the residence permit in order to use it abraod! The decision and choice are up to the concerned resident! however, every swiss resident is entitled to stay and live their life in the counry as it always has been!

in the other hand, for some people it is a lot to pay nearly CHF100 to upgrade their permit. it would be much logic to use the old and new format to enter schengen without a visa, until expiry!

My point of view, whoever doesn't have a valid schengen visa, it is much much logic to upgrade their permit since the cost is almost half of what they will pay for a visa. and the upgraded permit is valid to use as long as they are living in Switzerland!

But for those who are still holding a valid visa, they rather wait until their permit is expired!
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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

Please Note the following:

* The new credit card form of residence permit will be issued automatically to all Non-EU residents in Switzerland upon expiration of their current resident permit. there is no need to apply for a change or upgrade of a current valid residence permit.

* Non-EU nationals who are married to EU nationals (and swiss nationals) won't be receiving the new credit card format residence permit. they will automatically receive the traditional format when their current permit expires.

** The reaseon behind issuing the new residence permit format is to differenciate between Non-EU residents who are living in switzerland for family reunion (including Swiss family or EU family reunion) and Non-EU nationals who are living in Switzerland for work purpose as well as the Assylum seekers.

If you read french: http://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/fr/home/...erausweis.html
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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

From article posted by Aziz:

Désormais, ces nouveaux titres de séjour, accompagnés d'un passeport national valable, permettront de voyager librement dans tout l'Espace Schengen sans visa. Au moment de l'entrée en vigueur de l'accord, il en sera de même pour les ressortissants d'Etats tiers en¬core détenteurs d'un livret pour étrangers valable.

En principe, le nouveau titre de séjour peut être obtenu comme jusqu'ici dans le cadre de la procédure de prolongation de l'autorisation ou lors d'une demande d'un premier permis. Ce¬pendant, deux nouveautés importantes doivent être signalées: d'une part, les étrangers concernés devront obligatoirement se présenter en personne auprès l'office compétent de leur canton de domicile, munis de leur passeport national. D'autre part, l'office cantonal des migrations sera certes habilité à délivrer l'autorisation mais il ne pourra établir lui-même le nouveau titre de séjour. Une entreprise spécialisée sera chargée de produire tous les nouveaux titres de séjour de manière centralisée. Les nouveaux titres de séjours seront ainsi envoyés directement aux intéressés par poste ou leur seront remis par l'entremise des autorités cantonales de migration.

Les livrets pour étrangers actuellement en possession de ressortissants d'Etats tiers demeu¬rent valables jusqu'à leur date d'échéance. Un nouveau titre de séjour ne sera établi qu'à l'expiration de ces livrets pour étrangers. Il n'est donc pas nécessaire de faire procéder à un échange tant que le livret pour étrangers actuel est encore valable.


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No need to change for third country nationals whose permit hasn't expired. There's our answer. Whew, that's a relief.

Heh, and I thought this thread would slow down closer to the law going into effect. Fat chance!
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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

for those who are too lazy to follow the link, here is the quote that should settle the matter (from http://www.bdm.bs.ch/infoschreiben__neuer_auslaenderausweis_.pdf):

"Der neue Ausländerausweis gibt wie der bisherige Auskunft über den ausländerrechtlichen Status in der Schweiz. Er wird für folgende Bewilligungsarten ausgestellt:
• Kurzaufenthaltsbewilligung (Ausweis L)
• Aufenthaltsbewilligung (Ausweis B)
• Niederlassungsbewilligung (Ausweis C)
Neu ist, dass mit dem neuen Ausländerausweis und dem heimatlichen Reisepass ohne Visum in sämtliche Schengenstaaten eingereist werden kann. Bestehende Ausländerausweise von Drittstaatenangehörigen, die im Zeitpunkt der Inkraftsetzung noch gültig sind, berechtigen ebenfalls zum visumsfreien Reiseverkehr im Schengen-Raum."

In a nutshell, if your non-EU old-format Ausweis is still valid, you don't need a visa to travel to the Schengen space (if you stay there less than 90 days within one visit).

If it's good enough for Basel, it should be good enough for every other Kanton. I can't imagine border control officers (if ever encountered) differentiate between new permits and old permits based on the Kanton that issued them.

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http://www.bdm.bs.ch/aktuelles.htm
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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

Finally CH joined SCHENGEN :

http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/front/S...69636000&ty=st

So let's celebrate.
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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

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Finally CH joined SCHENGEN :

http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/front/S...69636000&ty=st

So let's celebrate.
Yes, good morning to you too!

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Old 12.12.2008, 14:59
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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

....does this mean I should carry my passport or auswies with me at all times now? I usually don't... I was never "checked randomly" inside CH, and if I knew I was going to drive out of CH boarders, I would be sure to have my passport and ausweis.

http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/front/S...84590000&ty=st
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Old 12.12.2008, 17:29
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....does this mean I should carry my passport or auswies with me at all times now? I usually don't...
I was informed some years ago by the British embassy that non-Swiss people are not obliged to carry their documents with them.

Of course, that does not prevent some over zealous officer of the law giving you a hard time. Strangely, mostly when I have been stopped by Customs people (not at a border crossing) they usually ask for my driving licence - maybe because I was always in my car .

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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

I'm pretty sure 'random checks within border regions and in international trains' will not be a problem for someone who went out to buy some bread from the local Migros.
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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

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My post regarding a credit card type B permit is valid insofar as Zurich is concerned. This was told to me by Einwohnerkontrolle / Einwohnerdienste. I will know soon once I get it in a few days' time.
I went to the Kreisburo today and was told that I don't need an upgraded B permit to go to Schengen countries. And without receiving an invitation letter, I can't change/upgrade my B permit. The officer told me that I only need to upgrade my B permit when I renew it.
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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

It feels great as a non EU to be able to travel within the Schengen states with just B-permit and passport.It makes one feels wow!
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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

If I am flying to India (I hold an Indian passport)via a schengen country, do I need a schengen visa? I would only be changing flights in Finland. (I guess not, but am being paranoid, so thot I'll check with you folks!)
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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

you don't need a visa as long as you got swiss resident permit.
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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

From 29 Mar. CH Airports are integrated in Schengen agreement:


http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/news_di...99504000&ty=nd
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From 29 Mar. CH Airports are integrated in Schengen agreement:
So now I can fly from Zurich to Geneva without carrying a passport?
Big step forward!

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So now I can fly from Zurich to Geneva without carrying a passport?
Not sure,as you pass Röstigraben check points on the way!
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Old 18.03.2009, 10:32
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Not sure,as you pass Röstigraben check points on the way!
They got me again then

How much Rösti must I eat?
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They got me again then

How much Rösti must I eat?
11 mornings cheese fondue in a row in August!
Then no passport needed
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