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Re: USA (non-EU) B-Permit & Schengen?

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I just entered the country recently with a 1 entry visa sticker. I have registered with the town hall and should be receiving my B-Permit within a few days. Do I need a Schengen to come in and out the country? It's complicated by the fact that I am a US passport holder in Switzerland (non-Schengen), but I have a 1 entry sticker... My company is not sure what to make of it. Any ideas?

Should taking my B-Permit and my employment contract paper be enough to travel within the EU?

Thanks in advance!

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Schengen is mostly irrelevant for US citizens. Switzerland and many West European countries have visa-waiver agreements with the USA. Hence, unrestricted entry and exit as tourist.

Various eastern EU countries are neither in the Schengen pool nor have reciprocity with the USA.

Where did you want to go?
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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

I have some work in UK, Austria, Germany, France, Italy, etc... I wouldn't mind traveling for holiday either.

What about that 1 entry visa sticker? It becomes irrelevant once I have my B-Permit card? I am sure some of the border immigration agents will clearly make faces when looking at it.

What about after 90 days in CH? Would I need a Schengen then?
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I have some work in UK, Austria, Germany, France, Italy, etc... I wouldn't mind traveling for holiday either.

What about that 1 entry visa sticker? It becomes irrelevant once I have my B-Permit card? I am sure some of the border immigration agents will clearly make faces when looking at it.

What about after 90 days in CH? Would I need a Schengen then?
For details of the US VWP (Visa Waiver Program) see:
http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/wi...html#countries
Some of the listed countries are in Schengen. Lucky you. With your US passport, Schengen is irrelevant for you.

Apparently, you can, as a tourist, visit any of the listed countries for 90 days. The VWP does not permit "work". So you must have a cogent explanation for the immigration officer, if you are quizzed.

My guess is that the Swiss issue the "1 entry sticker" to anyone entering regardless of their citizenship. Hence, citizens of many Asian and African countries are trapped till their work permits are issued. As a US citizen, the Swiss immigration officer will most probably wave you in. Unlike the US, Switzerland does not require visitors to fill forms. So your chances are very good that with a US passport you can freely enter Switzerland as often as you like.

Maybe someone can give you a more authoritative reply. If I were you, I would just go ahead and have a good story ready!

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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

Can anyone explain what the "shopping visa" is? What are the restrictions? Is it possible to get it for 6 month (with valid B permit)? And how one can get it?

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Can anyone explain what the "shopping visa" is? What are the restrictions? Is it possible to get it for 6 month (with valid B permit)? And how one can get it?

Thanks in advance
Once upon a time the Germans issued a "Grenzkarte" (border card). The criteria were:
  1. Applicant lives close to the German border.
  2. Permit limited to listed German districts adjacent to the border.
  3. Only valid for crossing at 1 named frontier crossing.
The Grenzkarte was fondly referred to as the "shopping visa", because it facilitated crossing into Germany for shopping.

This scheme ended in 2003 when Germany joined Schengen. Germany was compelled to adopt the Schengen rules, which e.g. treat the Swiss border as a Schengen frontier. The Grenzkarte is no longer issued. You must apply for a normal Schengen visa, till the Swiss are allowed into the Schengen space.

For more details see:
http://www.swissviet.ch/grenzkarte.htm

PS: Please do not groan at me, like another forum member did, because I posted a link to a Web page that was only available in German
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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

Thanks fot the info! Why sould I groan on you?
By getting a "shopping visa" I meant an opportunity to get a long term (~6 month) multi visa to enter Germany and Schengen space (actually I do leave close to the border) without any fixed reason. I just call the embassy and ask them.
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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

hi, did you figure out where in Basel one can apply for a schengen visa? I know there is an Italian consulate here. Thank you for sharing your information.
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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

Hi everyone, although I've seen the discussions above, I want to ask once again for any solid evidence for the illegality of entering a Schengen state with a Schengen visa issued by another Schengen state.

My particular case: I want to enter France by flying from Geneva to Paris (check-in French sector), I will have a visa from Slovenia (yes, they are inside Schengen). Will they send me back to Switzerland? Anyone who had a similar experience??? Thanks a lot
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Hi everyone, although I've seen the discussions above, I want to ask once again for any solid evidence for the illegality of entering a Schengen state with a Schengen visa issued by another Schengen state.

My particular case: I want to enter France by flying from Geneva to Paris (check-in French sector), I will have a visa from Slovenia (yes, they are inside Schengen). Will they send me back to Switzerland? Anyone who had a similar experience??? Thanks a lot
It depends on how strict the border guards are. They may in fact have a problem with the fact that your visa was not stamped by the first intended entry point for your visa (that being Slovenia.) For like 5 years I would get a Schengen visa issued by France and just travel all around Europe to my heart's content (they never stamp anything at the French border). Italian, German, Spanish, Belgian, Austrian, etc. border guards never had a problem with it. Then this spring I decided to go to Amsterdam and something similiar to this happened:
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Actually, the Schengen countries are especially picky about non-EU member citizens. Got myself into a situation when transiting via Holland was stuck due to tech problem with aircraft, but my newly issued Schengen visa was from the French embassy. The Dutch made a whole issue about it and nearly terminated the visa as such... So there is a point in "opening" (first stamping) the visa in the country for which it was issued. Just a friendly suggestion ;-)
Maybe Dutch border guards are just particularly tight-assed, but they were instantly was outraged that my visa wasn't stamped by France. And I was refused entry, despite all my documents being in order (hotel reservation, etc.) They were "nice" enough to pay for my trip back to Geneva, but my girlfriend (who was Swiss) had to pay for her ticket back because she didn't break any laws. Completely ridiculous rules.

The moral of the story is, there's probably 95% chance that the French border guards will see a Schengen visa and let you through, but there's always the possibility that your luck will eventually run out and a border guard will lose his shit about a meaningless stamp and your vacation will be (or already was, since your post is a month old) ruined.

Hope you had better luck than I did. My next (and hopefully last, with Switzerland entering Schengen in November, December or god knows when) visa will be stamped by local French border guards as soon as possible, that much is sure.
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Old 14.07.2008, 17:59
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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

so ive been here a year and still not finding much work in the publishing field , I bring knowledge of plenty but i get work of none any links out there to help a poor educated experienced soul like me find a job that actually pays me? Freelance would be great too. my last Boss chose not to pay me that was great he is from Korea or something that was not pleasant. Now i at least learn of the leagal systems here.... its not as simple as u get told by the way.....

Are there any designers out there? I would like to just talk design for a while right now i only speak broken german but no shop.

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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

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It depends on how strict the border guards are. They may in fact have a problem with the fact that your visa was not stamped by the first intended entry point for your visa (that being Slovenia.) For like 5 years I would get a Schengen visa issued by France and just travel all around Europe to my heart's content (they never stamp anything at the French border). Italian, German, Spanish, Belgian, Austrian, etc. border guards never had a problem with it. Then this spring I decided to go to Amsterdam and something similiar to this happened:Maybe Dutch border guards are just particularly tight-assed, but they were instantly was outraged that my visa wasn't stamped by France. And I was refused entry, despite all my documents being in order (hotel reservation, etc.) They were "nice" enough to pay for my trip back to Geneva, but my girlfriend (who was Swiss) had to pay for her ticket back because she didn't break any laws. Completely ridiculous rules.

The moral of the story is, there's probably 95% chance that the French border guards will see a Schengen visa and let you through, but there's always the possibility that your luck will eventually run out and a border guard will lose his shit about a meaningless stamp and your vacation will be (or already was, since your post is a month old) ruined.

Hope you had better luck than I did. My next (and hopefully last, with Switzerland entering Schengen in November, December or god knows when) visa will be stamped by local French border guards as soon as possible, that much is sure.
I was really lucky. I entered France with my Slovenian visa, passed through Germany and left the Schengen area at Greek-Turkish border. There were no problems at all.

I am really sorry for you. I think the moral is: beware the Dutch border police!
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I was really lucky. I entered France with my Slovenian visa, passed through Germany and left the Schengen area at Greek-Turkish border. There were no problems at all.

I am really sorry for you. I think the moral is: beware the Dutch border police!
Glad nothing happened to you.

I've since talked to travel agents and other people in the know, and most either didn't know the stamp was even needed, and ones that did told me that it's usually the countries from the north like Holland and Scandinavia that are draconian about it. For most border guards a Schengen visa is enough. Which is logical if you ask me. I remember asking the Dutch border guard at the airport:

"So you're telling me, if I go back right this moment to Geneva, get it stamped at the nearest border and come back in 3 hours, you'll let me through no problem?"

The guy said yes, and I just went, "You don't see anything wrong with this?" He just stared at me like a curious dog. I think he even turned his head to the side dogs sometimes do. This is pretty much a summary of the situation:

"I'm sorry, I can't let you in. Yes, I know you aren't at all suspicious and all your papers are in order but there's just no way I can let you in without a meaningless stamp. You may go back to Geneva and make a meaningless stamp and then I will let you in. I realize that it is through no fault of yours you don't have a meaningless stamp this time and that this is the first time in 8 years it is brought up at a border. This is standard operating procedure. I'm sorry, my hands are tied."
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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

I am applying for business visa from Italian embassy for September. But I want to go to Germany first for holidays in August. How strict is the border police at Basel? Do you think I can pass thought it easily or they might also send me back to get it first stamped in Italian border:
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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

I came to know that few embassies in Swiss are issuing schengen visa only till Nov 2008, not beyond that.
Is it confirmed that Swiss is joining schengen on 1st Nov 2008?
Any official communication regarding this on any website?

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I came to know that few embassies in Swiss are issuing schengen visa only till Nov 2008, not beyond that.
Is it confirmed that Swiss is joining schengen on 1st Nov 2008?
Any official communication regarding this on any website?

Thanks !!
The common concensus is that it'll either be the 1st of November or early 2009 at the latest. But no official date has been announced yet.

Just because visa services are closing in a few embassies doesn't mean that it'll be that date, just that it'll be no longer profitable for them to give visas after that date. I wouldn't assume that's the official date, though, until you hear something directly from the government. Who knows, maybe they'll find reasons to delay it further.
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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

I hope this is official enough :

http://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/...en_dublin.html

At last! Whooowhoo :-)
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Old 23.07.2008, 21:15
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I hope this is official enough :

http://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/...en_dublin.html

At last! Whooowhoo :-)
The above notification was published on 6th May 2008

Dated 25th June 2008, the Swiss police write:
http://www.ejpd.admin.ch/ejpd/en/hom..._schengen.html
"Subject to the approval of the Council of the European Union, people traveling by road are likely to profit from this measure as early as December 2008; those traveling by air from March 2009, once summer flight schedules become valid."

Hence, we are waiting for the green light from the EU Council.

There is still no resolution what to do with the Swiss border to Liechtenstein. LI is not in Schengen. So the EU considers the CH/LI as a Schengen external border. Switzerland would have to roll out the barbed wire along a frontier which has never been controlled.
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Re: [Q&A] Schengen Visa - all you need to know

As the Non-EU expats in Switzerland, we seem to be approaching to the end of our Schengen woes, but the problems are still continuing.

I spent some time in Hungary last week, and came back through Austria by train. Guess what: there was no passport check on the Austrian-Swiss border! (I was sleeping and no one bothered me).

So, now, there is no proof on my pass that shows my exit from the Schengen zone. Every day I don't get that bloody exit stamp, I am losing one of my hard earned 90 days (multiple entry thingy).

What should I do? Just go to a border and get the stamp? I wish I was in Basel...

Thanks to anyone who will share their similar experience...
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Which 90 days? 90 days in Switzerland or 90 days in EU-Schengen?
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90 days in Schengen zone...
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