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Re: Passport Control in trains

Well yes, same here- I go over border several times a week, sometimes several times a day, and I am local. However- you and I might find that this will change. As the policy for border checks has changed- border guards are no longer working permanently on a specific border post- but for the whole region (border guards here work with 2 cantons- and often sent to other parts of CH to support other posts).

So whereas until recently I'd knew every single one of them, and they knew me- each time I cross it is now a different team. If caught without identity- I know which names to drop ... and perhaps might have to go home to pick up identity card or passport - but a 'stranger' to the area or foreigner will probably not be afforded the same. Went through twice yesterday, am and pm - and it was a totally different team both times.

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Re: Passport Control in trains

I was not referring to border control.It was supposed to be a joke. But joking aside I have never carried ID in Switzerland and I have never been asked for it
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Well yes, same here- I go over border several times a week, sometimes several times a day, and I am local. However- you and I might find that this will change. As the policy for border checks has changed- border guards are no longer working permanently on a specific border post- but for the whole region (border guards here work with 2 cantons- and often sent to other parts of CH to support other posts).

So whereas until recently I'd know every single one of them, and they knew me- each time I cross it is now a different team. If caught without identity- I know which names to drop ... and perhaps might have to go home to pick up identity card or passport - but a 'stranger' to the area or foreigner will probably not be afforded the same. Went through twice yesterday, am and pm - and it was a totally different team both times.
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Old 15.03.2017, 13:13
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I was not referring to border control.It was supposed to be a joke. But joking aside I have never carried ID in Switzerland and I have never been asked for it
Define ID.

No Swisspass or rail abo or driving licence?

I use my driving licence for the post office parcel collection for example.
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Old 15.03.2017, 13:17
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Rail abo yes. But I dont think that qualifies as an ID
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Define ID.

No Swisspass or rail abo or driving licence?

I use my driving licence for the post office parcel collection for example.
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Old 15.03.2017, 13:31
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I was not referring to border control.It was supposed to be a joke. But joking aside I have never carried ID in Switzerland and I have never been asked for it
Do you mean no "official" ID or just nothing that identifies you in any way?

If it's the latter, and you are involved in an accident where you are KO'd or some other injury which leaves you unable to communicate, how do you confirm who you are in order for your next of kin to be notified?

I normally have at least my permit on me as well as other random photo-ID. My phone probably would also confirm who I am but, as it's got a passcode on it, it would be less than useless in an emergency.
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Do you mean no "official" ID or just nothing that identifies you in any way?

If it's the latter, and you are involved in an accident where you are KO'd or some other injury which leaves you unable to communicate, how do you confirm who you are in order for your next of kin to be notified?

I normally have at least my permit on me as well as other random photo-ID. My phone probably would also confirm who I am but, as it's got a passcode on it, it would be less than useless in an emergency.
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Old 15.03.2017, 13:52
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My phone probably would also confirm who I am but, as it's got a passcode on it, it would be less than useless in an emergency.
Both iOS and Android allow you to put in emergency contact details that are accessible from the lock screen without unlocking the phone.
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Old 15.03.2017, 13:54
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I have been in Switzerland for 20 years. And I never carry identification. They always recognize me so its not necessary to carry such things
Not surprising with 5 red blobs to your name, can't be many like you
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Yes and it took alot of sacrifice to get all those bloobs ...I mean boobs.....sorry thats blobs! I must get a new tastatur
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I came from Austria and at Sargans they not just asked for the passport but asked what I do in Switzerland and I had to show my permit as well.
Sargans? Not Buchs? Also are you an EU citizen?

FWIW, I (EU) have been asked what I do here whenever they don't have easy access to their computers (mostly on trains) or (in the case of buses) when they aren't taking out documents for scanning.

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Old 17.03.2017, 15:59
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Sargans? Not Buchs? Also are you an EU citizen?
They occasionally do it between Sargans and Buchs - although usually the Austrians going out of CH not the Swiss coming in.
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They occasionally do it between Sargans and Buchs - although usually the Austrians going out of CH not the Swiss coming in.
So the Austrians are present on Swiss soil? Weird, quite frankly I've never even seen an Austrian official, and I've taken the train to Vienna and bus to Munich (crossing at Au/Lustenau) a number of times.

Never been checked by the Swiss coming from Austria by train either - they often board the train in Buchs but mostly to show they exist. Never seen anyone being asked for documents.
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Old 18.03.2017, 09:44
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The Migrationsamt has your data electronically stored, including your travel document copy.
They don't have mine.

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Sargans? Not Buchs? Also are you an EU citizen?

FWIW, I (EU) have been asked what I do here whenever they don't have easy access to their computers (mostly on trains) or (in the case of buses) when they aren't taking out documents for scanning.
Somewhere around Sargans/Buchs, those towns are next to each other. Yes I'm and EU citizen with CH Permit. It depends on the actual mood of the border control officers what they request from me. Most of the cases they needed an ID or passport.
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Old 18.03.2017, 11:43
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<<The Migrationsamt has your data electronically stored>>
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They don't have mine.
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They probably do but they're 30 years old
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They don't have mine.

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..........yeah, right Tom, we all know it's different in Ticino
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..........yeah, right Tom, we all know it's different in Ticino
No, rather it's because I'm Swiss.

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Re: Passport Control in trains

I set out on a crazy experiment yesterday, arriving back home today: purposely leaving the wallet with my ID at home and going on a rail tour Zurich-Milan-Paris-Zurich (the Milan-Paris leg on the Thello night train that goes through Switzerland).

Absolutely zero major issues anywhere along the way (admittedly in part thanks to being a registered Swiss resident). When asked, I claimed to have forgotten my wallet in my flat.

At Brig (entering Switzerland from Italy on the Thello), I was hauled off for 5 minutes and led into the building where I was made to fill out and sign a form containing my name, date of birth, nationality, address, occupation and contact details. The Grenzwache then tapped stuff into their computer and wished me a pleasant onward journey.

On the Paris-Mulhouse domestic TGV (which I took from Dijon to Mulhouse), the French police performed a passport/visa check between Besancon-Franche-Comté and Belfort-Montbéliard. As I couldn't produce my ID, I was asked for a ticket for identification purposes. I had only paid for the trip from Zurich through Milan to Dijon, due to me not having known whether I would make it to France as well as the remaining legs being so expensive, so they wrote a fine by hand, made me declare my identity and (fake) address, and left me alone after that, so I made it to Mulhouse where I changed to a TER to Basel SBB.

Finally, when re-entering Switzerland at Basel SBB (the exit from the French sector), I presented the French handwritten fine with my name on it (they just wanted anything with my name on it), then they asked me some questions and sent me on my way.

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Old 23.03.2017, 21:51
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I set out on a crazy experiment yesterday, arriving back home today: purposely leaving the wallet with my ID at home and going on a rail tour Zurich-Milan-Paris-Zurich (the Milan-Paris leg on the Thello night train that goes through Switzerland).

Absolutely zero major issues anywhere along the way (admittedly in part thanks to being a registered Swiss resident). When asked, I claimed to have forgotten my wallet in my flat.

At Brig (entering Switzerland from Italy on the Thello), I was hauled off for 5 minutes and led into the building where I was made to fill out and sign a form containing my name, date of birth, nationality, address, occupation and contact details. The Grenzwache then tapped stuff into their computer and wished me a pleasant onward journey.

On the Paris-Mulhouse domestic TGV (which I took from Dijon to Mulhouse), the French police performed a passport/visa check between Besancon-Franche-Comté and Belfort-Montbéliard. As I couldn't produce my ID, I was asked for a ticket for identification purposes. I had only paid for the trip from Zurich through Milan to Dijon, due to me not having known whether I would make it to France as well as the remaining legs being so expensive, so they wrote a fine by hand, made me declare my identity and (fake) address, and left me alone after that.

Finally, when re-entering Switzerland at Basel SBB (the exit from the French sector), I presented the French handwritten fine with my name on it (they just wanted anything with my name on it), then they asked me some questions and sent me on my way.
So in a single day travelling within the Schengen Area you were controlled not once but three times... which is contrary to what some people on this thread would have expected.

On all three occasions the officers used there common sense. Had one of them taken exception and refused to accept anything but the officially accepted forms of identity you have a different story to report and we probably would not hear from you until tomorrow at the earliest.

At the end of the day, if you are happy to spend your time dealing with these guys and have your trip distributed that is your choice. Personally I prefer to get to my destination with the least amount of hassle.
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Personally I prefer to get to my destination with the least amount of hassle.
Which explains why your username isn't crazyjim.
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