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Claiming 280CHF Child Allowance / Month

Dear All,

I am an Australian citizen, holding an Australian Passport who has lived in the United Kingdom since 1989 on a UK Grandparent right to Abode visa, however have been married to a British subject since 1991.

I have just started work in Basel Euro-airport for Lufthansa (they have arranged my work and resident permit) and they have informed me that as I have a 18 year old daughter in full time education (University in the UK) that I can claim 280CHF per month, however they don't think it possible as I am not a holder of an EU Passport.
Could you please inform me if this is correct or otherwise inform me of the correct procedure to claim if possible.

John.
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Re: Claiming 280CHF Child Allowance / Month

If you are resident and working in Switzerland then you would be entitled (where do these companies imagine this stuff ). You need to give them a copy of some proof that your daughter is in full-time education, e.g. a confirmation from the school, student ID, etc...
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Re: Claiming 280CHF Child Allowance / Month

  • Are you a registered Swiss resident?
  • Do you pay Swiss AHV (social security) contributions?
If the answer is yes and yes, then your Swiss employer must give you the child allowance. Your nationality and former countries of residence are irrelevant.
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Dear All,

I am an Australian citizen, holding an Australian Passport who has lived in the United Kingdom since 1989 on a UK Grandparent right to Abode visa, however have been married to a British subject since 1991.

I have just started work in Basel Euro-airport for Lufthansa (they have arranged my work and resident permit) and they have informed me that as I have a 18 year old daughter in full time education (University in the UK) that I can claim 280CHF per month, however they don't think it possible as I am not a holder of an EU Passport.
Could you please inform me if this is correct or otherwise inform me of the correct procedure to claim if possible.

John.
Not sure on the claiming procedure, John, but I'm virtually certain that you could get UK citizenship very easily on two counts -- having lived legally in the UK for so long, and having been married to a UK citizen (the latter is actually the better rationale, since you've now left the UK). Any reason why you wouldn't acquire citizenship? It makes your life in Europe much easier and you no longer have to give up Aussie citizenship. If you don't want the actual UK passport, it doesn't even cost all that much.
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  • Are you a registered Swiss resident?
  • Do you pay Swiss AHV (social security) contributions?
If the answer is yes and yes, then your Swiss employer must give you the child allowance. Your nationality and former countries of residence are irrelevant.
THE ANSWER IS YES and YES so I will just have to get the form that she has in HR, fill out and submit!!!

Thanks for your help.
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Not sure on the claiming procedure, John, but I'm virtually certain that you could get UK citizenship very easily on two counts -- having lived legally in the UK for so long, and having been married to a UK citizen (the latter is actually the better rationale, since you've now left the UK). Any reason why you wouldn't acquire citizenship? It makes your life in Europe much easier and you no longer have to give up Aussie citizenship. If you don't want the actual UK passport, it doesn't even cost all that much.
Looked into being naturalised yesterday on home office website and it was just over 700 which at the moment is 690 more than I can afford as I have not worked for 7 months and trying to set up in Basel with 3 months rent up front has taken all savings.

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Re: Claiming 280CHF Child Allowance / Month

We're non EU - your employer gives you a form to sign, they submit it and if you are taxed at source there is a slightly different calculation so you get the allowance as part of your monthly pay.
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Re: Claiming 280CHF Child Allowance / Month

Hi

Had a question on Child Allowance. This is the only thread I saw on this topic and therefore thought should post here.

I work in Basel Stadt and my wife in Zurich. We live as well in Kanton Zurich.We had our second daughter in August. I applied for Child Allowance for my second child with my employer as they were paying this for my first child. I was asked to send my application to AK40 in Basel. They came back and said that as we live in Zurich and my wife works as well in Zurich this should be paid by Kanton Zurich. They also stopped paying for my first daughter wef August. We used to live in Basel Stadt earlier. My wife then applies to the SVA in Zurich thru her employer. Start of Nov they told us that all is okay and my wife will start getting Child Allowance thru her employer paid by the SVA wef Aug this year. Last week we received a letter which states than as my wifes monthly salary is less than CHF 6840 we are not eligible for this.

I have also heard that the spouse which earns higher salary (which is me) is the one eligible for this Allowance. But AK40 as well as SVA deny this. They seem to be eager to push this to each other.

So we are back to square one. Will we not get the Child Allowance then ? Can someone tell what are the actual rules and what we should do to get this Allowance ?

Thanks a lot for advice
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Old 07.12.2009, 15:25
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I have just started work in Basel Euro-airport for Lufthansa (they have arranged my work and resident permit) and they have informed me that as I have a 18 year old daughter in full time education (University in the UK) that I can claim 280CHF per month, however they don't think it possible as I am not a holder of an EU Passport.
Could you please inform me if this is correct or otherwise inform me of the correct procedure to claim if possible.
absolute bollocks...

the child allowance relates to your employment and residence in Switzerland and has nothing to do with your citizenship.
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Re: Claiming 280CHF Child Allowance / Month

It may if the child isn't residing with you.

http://www.svazurich.ch/pdf/merkblat...9_internet.pdf


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absolute bollocks...

the child allowance relates to your employment and residence in Switzerland and has nothing to do with your citizenship.

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Re: Claiming 280CHF Child Allowance / Month

I think you are being wrongly informed by the AHV authorities (or you didn't understand the letter correctly).

You should be getting it, the only issue is who will pay it out. In case your wife isn't eligeble then the you should get it.

You should go to your employer with the letter and ask them to solve it for you.





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Hi

Had a question on Child Allowance. This is the only thread I saw on this topic and therefore thought should post here.

I work in Basel Stadt and my wife in Zurich. We live as well in Kanton Zurich.We had our second daughter in August. I applied for Child Allowance for my second child with my employer as they were paying this for my first child. I was asked to send my application to AK40 in Basel. They came back and said that as we live in Zurich and my wife works as well in Zurich this should be paid by Kanton Zurich. They also stopped paying for my first daughter wef August. We used to live in Basel Stadt earlier. My wife then applies to the SVA in Zurich thru her employer. Start of Nov they told us that all is okay and my wife will start getting Child Allowance thru her employer paid by the SVA wef Aug this year. Last week we received a letter which states than as my wifes monthly salary is less than CHF 6840 we are not eligible for this.

I have also heard that the spouse which earns higher salary (which is me) is the one eligible for this Allowance. But AK40 as well as SVA deny this. They seem to be eager to push this to each other.

So we are back to square one. Will we not get the Child Allowance then ? Can someone tell what are the actual rules and what we should do to get this Allowance ?

Thanks a lot for advice
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Old 07.12.2009, 15:39
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Re: Claiming 280CHF Child Allowance / Month

This form answers both cases in this thread:

http://www.svazurich.ch/pdf/merkblatt_familienzulagen_2009_internet.pdf

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Looked into being naturalised yesterday on home office website and it was just over 700 which at the moment is 690 more than I can afford as I have not worked for 7 months and trying to set up in Basel with 3 months rent up front has taken all savings.

Thanks though!
in Uk it was 780 + the cost of "test of english exam".
Although you should probably not being asked to do it...
I was asked to do it, even after being there 5 years + doing Bsc with Honours and Master Degree...

It's like I could do them without speaking english...

Well, thanks but no thanks!
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Re: Claiming 280CHF Child Allowance / Month

This form answers both cases in this thread:

http://www.svazurich.ch/pdf/SVA_Merk...Ki-Zulagen.pdf

Hi

Thanks for the link. But, my German is not very good. Would somebody post what this document says for my situation ?

Regards
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I work in Basel Stadt and my wife in Zurich. We live as well in Kanton Zurich.We had our second daughter in August. I applied for Child Allowance for my second child with my employer as they were paying this for my first child. I was asked to send my application to AK40 in Basel. They came back and said that as we live in Zurich and my wife works as well in Zurich this should be paid by Kanton Zurich. They also stopped paying for my first daughter wef August. We used to live in Basel Stadt earlier. My wife then applies to the SVA in Zurich thru her employer. Start of Nov they told us that all is okay and my wife will start getting Child Allowance thru her employer paid by the SVA wef Aug this year. Last week we received a letter which states than as my wifes monthly salary is less than CHF 6840 we are not eligible for this.

I have also heard that the spouse which earns higher salary (which is me) is the one eligible for this Allowance.
I didnt get that. What they said is that because your wifes salary is below an amount she is not allowed child allowance?
Isnt the opposite supposed to be correct? Like, you get child allowance because you are earning less that an amount?
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Re: Claiming 280CHF Child Allowance / Month

I have been battling this for ages with my HR department. I have a 4 year old son in UK that I visit every 2 week, pay his mum CSA maintenance 250 a month.

My HR department seems to avoid me like the plague, I think they are unsure what to do. She runs away when I see her in the canteen at lunch.
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Re: Claiming 280CHF Child Allowance / Month

Child Allowance is paid for by your employer, from a reduction of the AHV amount the employer has to pay. ( Not sure if this is deduction from employers or employees AHV ).

So, if your salary means that your employer would normally be paying 500CHF a month AHV for you, then if you have one child, your employer only pays 220CHF AHV; the other 280CHF goes to you. The net cost to the employer is unchanged. It makes no difference if you are on quellensteuer or not, as this is an adjustment to AHV, not income tax, which (in BL at least) is still deducted at source.

This I know as I own my own company and claim Child Allowance through it.

What I don't know is what happens if the AHV contribution is less than the allowance - but it appears in this case that you can't claim it. Only one parent may claim.
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Child Allowance is paid for by your employer, from a reduction of the AHV amount the employer has to pay. ( Not sure if this is deduction from employers or employees AHV ).

So, if your salary means that your employer would normally be paying 500CHF a month AHV for you, then if you have one child, your employer only pays 220CHF AHV; the other 280CHF goes to you. The net cost to the employer is unchanged. It makes no difference if you are on quellensteuer or not, as this is an adjustment to AHV, not income tax, which (in BL at least) is still deducted at source.

This I know as I own my own company and claim Child Allowance through it.

What I don't know is what happens if the AHV contribution is less than the allowance - but it appears in this case that you can't claim it. Only one parent may claim.
what happens if you have 3 children, does the employer then end up paying more?
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I'm afraid I don't know. My three kids worth of allowance is still less than the amount of AHV my company pays each month.
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One thing really doesn't have anything to do with the other. They do it that way because it is usually the AHV that administer the Kinderzulage but it is two different laws and two different issues.

As a company you are required to pay something called FAK (Familienausgleichskasse) for all your employees which is a percentage of each salary regardless of whether the person has kids or not. As a company you are also responsible for paying the employees who are eligible their Kinderzulage. So if you are a company with employees with many children you will probably get more money back from the Familienausgleichskasse than what you have paid in.





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