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UK citizen married to Swiss- B permit chaos

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I'm hoping someone can help clear up some confusion for me. I'm a UK citizen and married my Swiss husband at the beginning of Dec in Switzerland in our local Gemeinde. The following week we took in the marriage certificate and my passport to apply for my B-permit. They asked if I would be working and we told them that I would be doing 2 hours each week as a English teacher for a school but I would be self-employed.

One month later my permit has still not arrived and when my husband spoke to the Gemeinde they are now insisting that the English school have to fill out the B1 Gesuch Ausländerbewilligung. I will ask them to do this but it just doesn't seem right. Also, the school took me on as a self-employed English teacher so I feel like a monkey getting them involved.

Maybe I got this totally wrong but I thought that I would be getting the B-permit as a result of having a Swiss spouse. Also, I thought the B-permit was a 'residence permit' not a work permit but with the permit I am then able to work. Or not?
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Re: UK citizen married to Swiss- B permit chaos

read the EU permit sticky
produce your British passport
whack them on the head with it

relax

you are EU, stop fretting.
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Hello

I'm hoping someone can help clear up some confusion for me. I'm a UK citizen and married my Swiss husband at the beginning of Dec in Switzerland in our local Gemeinde. The following week we took in the marriage certificate and my passport to apply for my B-permit. They asked if I would be working and we told them that I would be doing 2 hours each week as a English teacher for a school but I would be self-employed.

One month later my permit has still not arrived and when my husband spoke to the Gemeinde they are now insisting that the English school have to fill out the B1 Gesuch Ausländerbewilligung. I will ask them to do this but it just doesn't seem right. Also, the school took me on as a self-employed English teacher so I feel like a monkey getting them involved.

Maybe I got this totally wrong but I thought that I would be getting the B-permit as a result of having a Swiss spouse. Also, I thought the B-permit was a 'residence permit' not a work permit but with the permit I am then able to work. Or not?
You are right, a B-permit does allow you to work, but it requires your employee to do more paperwork, hence most companies prefer C permit holders. i'm sure the school will understand, it a small issue. And permits, do take their own sweet time to arrive, especially if you are living in canton Zurich.
After 5years of Swiss residence, you can apply for the C Permit, which I advise, even though at the same time you will be applying for your citizenship, which takes up to 2years to arrive, mine took 18months, so you will be saving yourself the fees and another trip to the gemeinde.

I know, its alot of hassle for 2hrs of work a week, hang in there. Immigation is apparently overwhelmed with their work load!
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Re: UK citizen married to Swiss- B permit chaos

EU B permit requires NOTHING from the employer. Offer job, be happy.

Take employment contract and passport to permit office, smile, wait, pay.
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EU B permit requires NOTHING from the employer. Offer job, be happy.

Take employment contract and passport to permit office, smile, wait, pay.
Read the OPs post, she wants to be self employed. EU B rules you are referring to are for employees not self employed persons.....
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in my experience, i was allowed to have a B permit just by marrying my swiss husband and it didnt matter if i was working or not. i guess if you need to, just tell them you arent working...it shouldnt matter because shortly after i got the B permit, i started working and they didnt do anything about it. but i think that you are right and you should get your b permit immediately, unless the rules have changed over the past year.
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Read the OPs post, she wants to be self employed. EU B rules you are referring to are for employees not self employed persons.....
... the op is married to a Swiss citizen so it makes no difference.

Thinking about it, I believe the authorities are only getting pissy about it because it is not acceptable to be self employed with only one client - this is seen as disguised employment.
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Thinking about it, I believe the authorities are only getting pissy about it because it is not acceptable to be self employed with only one client - this is seen as disguised employment.
This could be the case.

I am just going to submit the paper work they are asking for on this occasion- much easier. Even though I hate doing something without having a clear reason. I presume that when I get the B permit then I can start other employment (if I find it) with no other permit paperwork needed?

Also, as well as a contract for me the Gemeinde have also asked my husband to provide salary details for the last 6 months and confirmation that he has paid all bills in the last 5 years. Is this normal?

Thanks for the answers!
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Re: UK citizen married to Swiss- B permit chaos

Just an update:

I finally got my B-permit today after 2 months of messing around. The documents that the 'Amt für Polizeiwesen und Zivilrecht Graubünden' required were as follows:

- A1 form completed by my employer (the B1 they originally sent me was incorrect as pointed out by my employer, my local gemeinde provided the correct A1 form on request)

- proof of last 6 months salary payments to my husband

- confirmation of my husband's on-going employment i.e. letter from his HR dept (his original contract together with proof of last 6 month's salary payments wasn't enough)

- the rental contract for our flat

- proof that my husband has paid all his bills in the last 5 years (he had to ring a local farmer who deals with this, the gemeinde gave him the name)

- copy of my passport

- wedding certificate

- an oath to name our first-born after the head of the dept in Chur

During all the confusion with the B1 and A1 forms, my husband receieved a phonecall from the office in Chur berating him for not sending back the correct paperwork promptly enough. He explained that they had sent us the wrong form and he had actually rung the same lady twice to discuss the case. Her reply: 'Oh yes, I remember now you rang, I had forgotten that and anyway B1/A1 -it doesn't make a difference to us'

Needless to say when I told husband that in 5 years I'll be eligible to to apply for the red passport he just smiled and said that I'll be doing it on my own.

I thought this post might be useful for others to know that even if you are an EU national these things are not so straightforward but they get there eventually. Just give them as much paperwork as you can. Next time I might slip in my cycling proficiency test for good measure...
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