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Appealing a Schengen Interdiction

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Any help on the following would be greatly, greatly appreciated:

I'm in the process of appealing a two-year ban in the Schengen group. Without going into a million details, I'm trying to return to Spain to marry my fiancee, but I'm currently living and working in Ukraine.

I've paid my fine and have sent the Swiss officials a number of documents supporting my appeal. However, they now want my address in Switzerland. As strange as it may sound, it's what they are requesting. I of course don't live there (how could I given the circumstances), nor have I ever (I visited briefly in 1995). I think I've found someone whose address I can use, but I wonder if they'll be able to pick up my mail, even if I give them a copy of my passport and permission to do so. Thus, this last part is my first question: Can someone pick up mail for another person if they have a copy of the other's passport and written permission?

My next question is if anyone knows about the likelihood of them reducing the interdiction. My case is pretty good because we were in the process of getting married and can provide proof.

Thanks from Ukraine!
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Old 03.02.2010, 20:22
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Re: Appealing a Schengen Interdiction

1) Why are they asking for your Swiss address? Why do they think you have a Swiss address.
2) If you lie about your address, and they find out, you'll probably find you'll be in more trouble than you are now.
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My next question is if anyone knows about the likelihood of them reducing the interdiction.
Given you attitude shown so far to playing by the rules, which is fairly important in most European countries within Schengen - don't hold your breath.

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Old 03.02.2010, 20:24
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Re: Appealing a Schengen Interdiction

Switzerland wasn't in Schengen in 1995. Are they just collecting all the addresses you've ever had, or what?
And if you didn't live here, just visited - can't you just explain that you didn't live here and so didn't have an address here?

Dying to know what you got in trouble for but I suppose it would be impolite to ask.
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Old 03.02.2010, 20:43
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Re: Appealing a Schengen Interdiction

What did you get in trouble for?
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Re: Appealing a Schengen Interdiction

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Switzerland wasn't in Schengen in 1995. Are they just collecting all the addresses you've ever had, or what?
And if you didn't live here, just visited - can't you just explain that you didn't live here and so didn't have an address here?

Dying to know what you got in trouble for but I suppose it would be impolite to ask.
I'll do it. If you haven't lived in CH then what "did" you do to get a two year ban? And if not in CH then where?

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Aw, crud!

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Re: Appealing a Schengen Interdiction

Thanks for the replies.

It's equally as mysterious to me as to why they're asking for a Swiss address. The best explanation I've been provided is that it's a remnant of a bygone era when international mail couldn't be trusted.

It has occurred to me that it could be interpreted as lying. However, I've already asked to use my address in Spain, to which they responded I need to use a "(e.g., a private person)" address in Switzerland. Apparently there aren't international treaties between the U.S./Ukraine...and I guess Spain too that allow them to now mail me correspondence.

Incidentally I'm currently in correspondence with them from Ukraine and they've just now asked me for a Swiss address, that's after a number of different missives from both sides, including my actual appeal in which I provided countless documents as to why I believe there should be a reduction in the interdiction.

Anyway....thanks.
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Re: Appealing a Schengen Interdiction

It's critical that you tell us what you did wrong. If you're embarrassed you may PM me and I'll post your message here.

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Thanks for the replies.

It's equally as mysterious to me as to why they're asking for a Swiss address. The best explanation I've been provided is that it's a remnant of a bygone era when international mail couldn't be trusted.

It has occurred to me that it could be interpreted as lying. However, I've already asked to use my address in Spain, to which they responded I need to use a "(e.g., a private person)" address in Switzerland. Apparently there aren't international treaties between the U.S./Ukraine...and I guess Spain too that allow them to now mail me correspondence.

Incidentally I'm currently in correspondence with them from Ukraine and they've just now asked me for a Swiss address, that's after a number of different missives from both sides, including my actual appeal in which I provided countless documents as to why I believe there should be a reduction in the interdiction.

Anyway....thanks.
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Old 03.02.2010, 21:08
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Re: Appealing a Schengen Interdiction

Yeah, this is the best thread of the day.

What did ya do to p!ss em off?

C'mon, we're all friends.

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Old 03.02.2010, 21:11
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Re: Appealing a Schengen Interdiction

Do you have a lawyer acting on your behalf in Switzerland...I'm thinking you should...and that person should be handling your correspondence...
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Old 03.02.2010, 21:19
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Re: Appealing a Schengen Interdiction

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Thanks for the replies.

It's equally as mysterious to me as to why they're asking for a Swiss address. The best explanation I've been provided is that it's a remnant of a bygone era when international mail couldn't be trusted.

It has occurred to me that it could be interpreted as lying. However, I've already asked to use my address in Spain, to which they responded I need to use a "(e.g., a private person)" address in Switzerland. Apparently there aren't international treaties between the U.S./Ukraine...and I guess Spain too that allow them to now mail me correspondence.
What in the ....?

So the request for a Swiss address has nothing at all to do with the fact you've been in Switzerland - they just want somewhere that isn't Spain and (for whatever reason) isn't the Ukraine - have I understood that right?

And they do understand (don't they?) that you are currently OUTSIDE of Switzerland, which is now in Schengen, so that you could not legally get INTO Switzerland to check your mailbox here even if you had one.

This doesn't add up at all. Are you quite sure that this was a Schengen interdiction notice you received and not something to do with the Spanish lottery?
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Old 03.02.2010, 21:23
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Re: Appealing a Schengen Interdiction

How did the Swiss/Schengen officials communicate their request for a mailing address to you? Did they write to you?

Where?

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Re: Appealing a Schengen Interdiction

Thanks for the response.

Yes, they communicated their request in writing to my current address in the Ukraine. I then asked if I could use my address in Spain and they said that's not possible.

I'm curious to know if someone, other than someone with power of attorney, i.e. a normal everyday citizen, could collect my mail, assuming I've given them a copy of my passport and written permission.

I assume an attorney would simply be too costly in this situation.

Cheers.
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Re: Appealing a Schengen Interdiction

I'm sorry, I really don't get this!

You live in the Ukraine, you're fiancée is in Spain, you've been banned from Shengen space, and you want to get back into Spain to marry, ok, what in the name of ten shades of grey does Switzerland have to do with this?????

Can't your fiancée just come to the Ukraine, or do you really have to do all this complicated dodgy stuff, and why can't you just wait till the two years have passed?
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Old 04.02.2010, 01:20
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Re: Appealing a Schengen Interdiction

Simple solution.

Move to the UK (actually Ireland would be better). Get your fiancée to join you there. Marry her.

Between living in the UK/Ireland and being married, you'll rack up the equivalent of 10,000 Hail Marys in no time and will be completely absolved of all anti-Schengenness.

(I still can't work out why "they" can't correspond with you in the Ukraine about your appeal.)
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Re: Appealing a Schengen Interdiction

I smell one for 419eater.com
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Re: Appealing a Schengen Interdiction

Before we all start believing that this might possiby be a scam or spam (which it is), one ought to watch this video before making your decision on whether to help this poor lad:

"Where spam comes from"


'sniff....we need to help this guy, if only in memory of Gwammi Mufasta
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Re: Appealing a Schengen Interdiction

Believe me, you're never going to understand this. For one, it makes no sense and for two, I've been doing this for three months and am just jumping through the hoops until there's a resolution. (I have no idea why they won't now correspond with me here in Ukraine; they had up 'til now. Again, it must have to do with an antiquated view of the security of the mail and the fact that my case is with a new person now who's higher up in the judicial system.)

Switzerland has to do with this because I have to get the interdiction reduced through them, as it is on their clock, i.e. my girlfriend met with a lawyer in Spain and they can't help since I didn't leave the Schengen through Spain.

The U.K. is out precisely because it's a part of the Schengen.


To make a long story short, I'm on a 10-month contract here in Ukraine, so it makes no sense for her to come here, not least because she couldn't leave her job for something as temporary as 5 more months.

We'd like to live in Madrid beginning in as early as June, hence we don't want to wait out the two years.

Cheers.
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The U.K. is out precisely because it's a part of the Schengen.

Cheers.
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Re: Appealing a Schengen Interdiction

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Why is it "on their clock" at all?
Switzerland wasn't part of Schengen in 1995, which is when I thought you said you were here.

So you recently stayed in some Schengen country, and then ... left that country and entered Switzerland? which joined Schengen while you were here, so now your time in Switzerland counts as a Schengen overstay?

I'm just trying to understand how this can possibly have anything to do with the Swiss authorities in the first place.
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Re: Appealing a Schengen Interdiction

Why dont you get a PO box here and mail th ekey to someone here. then that person can forward you the mail received......
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