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My partner and I have been together for 8 years - lived together for 7 years and have a 9 month old child together. We could be relocating to Switzerland if my partner gets a job he has applied for - so far it is looking good. We just want to know whether there will be any problems for me coming over with my son when I dont have a job as we are not married - we will obviously want to relocate the same time as my partner.
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Old 24.05.2007, 17:27
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Re: Visas / Unmarried couple with child

I'm almost certain that the authorities won't recognise you, but then again, you have a child together, so that certainly makes the situation interesting.

That said - you are all EU, so I guess it this shouldn't really present a big hurdle at all. The Swiss government website provides excellent information which explains the procedures for EU citizens entering Switzerland. It's quite easy these days.
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Re: Visas / Unmarried couple with child

Oh no you have me worried! We are practically married in the fact that we have had a mortgage together for years and a child - surely that counts for something....where can I find out this info? Many thanks.
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Re: Visas / Unmarried couple with child

Also if I was granted a visa to live with my partner and child in Switzerland would I be granted a permit to work? Where can I find all of this information out - is there anyone I could contact via telephone to find out this information - government offices etc??

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Re: Visas / Unmarried couple with child

check out this link

http://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home.html
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Thanks very much for that link -I dont think my brain is working too well today - I have been googling re Switzerland all day!! Loosing the will to live!!

I just don't understand it! Can you help!?
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Re: Visas / Unmarried couple with child

you can have the whole website in english. don't panic its on the upper right corner of the page. On the right side of the page you will find favourites and among those will be labour and work permits...that should make things a little easier. Take your time in going through the webpage.
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Re: Visas / Unmarried couple with child

I came over to join my partner who got a job in Zurich, we get married this year but at the moment are still officially single. I'm still waiting for my residency permit 3 months on, we have had to provide proof that OH can support us both and it's something to do with 30 000 Francs or three months wage slips. I assume (but don't know for definite) that showing his employment contract would also have been sufficient.

I don't know how the situation would effect you getting a work permit, I managed to get a job and then they applied for the permit. As you're not married I don't think you are entitled to any permit on the basis your partner has one.
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Re: Visas / Unmarried couple with child

Do you think it will make a difference to us though because we have a child together and obviously I dont want to be living with my child in England when his father, my partner is in Switzerland? it just seems crazy to me.
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Do you think it will make a difference to us though because we have a child together and obviously I dont want to be living with my child in England when his father, my partner is in Switzerland? it just seems crazy to me.
Do you plan to work when you arrive? My understanding of things so far is that you can come for 3 months if you are looking for a job and if unsuccessful then you can apply to stay another 3 months...I think the system is undergoing some changes now due to bilateral agreements between CH and EU coming into effect. We were in CH recently, and my boyf will move with me (he has no job yet, but is EU) and we were told by someone in the bank that he would likely get a B residentīs permit. Did you have any luck with the website Aurora suggested? http://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/...l_eu_efta.html

Also see Richardīs reply here...maybe this is the solution for you?? L Permit to a B permit - Unmarried UK couple
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I came over to join my partner who got a job in Zurich, we get married this year but at the moment are still officially single. I'm still waiting for my residency permit 3 months on, we have had to provide proof that OH can support us both and it's something to do with 30 000 Francs or three months wage slips. I assume (but don't know for definite) that showing his employment contract would also have been sufficient.

I don't know how the situation would effect you getting a work permit, I managed to get a job and then they applied for the permit. As you're not married I don't think you are entitled to any permit on the basis your partner has one.

Hi guys,

I actually have a similar dilemma as you described Pepper. I am from Melbourne in Australia (therefore non-EU) and have just started a postdoc in Basel on a L permit. Based on information from my employer, it was going to be straight forward for them to apply for a residency permit for my unmarried partner of 3 years to come join me in July. Unfort we have just found out this is not the case, and the company can't apply for us as we are not married, instead we have to plead our case to the migration department and provide evidence that I will be able to support him, as until he is able to secure a contract himself over here (if at all...), he will not be working.

Any tips from anyone as to how they think we should go about this?

So far, as advised by HR (although I am not entirely sure how much to trust them as they have provided incorrect information before) I have sent a letter to the migration officials outlining our position, and included details of my salary and our combined savings....I was also told to include why we are not married already and why he didnt come with me straight away (sorry, he was doing the right thing and completing his own work contract).

Based on your post Pepper, a contract from my employer may help?? In the letter I included contact details for HR at my employer.

So does anyone have any idea of our chances of success??? Has anyone ever needed to write a letter to these types, and if so did they contact you, or shall I be in the office chasing it up a week later (I only sent letter yesterday)

Thanks in advance!
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I'm almost certain that the authorities won't recognise you, but then again, you have a child together, so that certainly makes the situation interesting.
The authorities do in some cases recognize partnerships. I've seen it happen with non-EU couples without children who have been together less than Leese, so I would think this case has just as much or more of a chance.

Now, add the fact that the OP is EU, I think the Leese has an good chance of a positive outcome, especially if Leese's partner has a job that will allow for the three of them to live on.

Of course, I'm not a lawyer, etc, etc., and sometimes the swiss systems is a bit arbitrary (i.e. you get different outcomes based on who you encounter at the desk) but the situation is not one that merits panic!
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Re: Visas / Unmarried couple with child

Firstly every canton will take difference stance on things. My unmarried partner is employed in Zurich and we have three children together. She was given an L permit and I was eventually given an L permit on the grounds that my children were here.

However I cannot "legally" work on this permit, but I do, and they know it, since I am self employed. However the authorities dont recognise my overseas contract with a UK company, although I earn good money. Since I am domicile in CH, I can pay tax here, but have no fall back from the social system. They wanted me to set up a GmbH / Ltd company, but I felt that the extra financial deductions and paperwork was just a mssive overkill, so I resisted.

The bottom line is that the laws are changing to become more in line with the EU. My strategy is to be here and slowly make inroads into the system. There is always marriage, but why change a relationship that works. If its not broke dont fix it.

If your partner gets a job, get his company to help with the paperwork. It can be daunting. Also bring long birth certificates and plenty of photos.
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I telephoned swiss immigration office and they say I should be able to get permit to live there as my son will be there as long as my partner can show he can provide for the three of us. Contract of Employment will provide this info. She was not very clear on whether I would be able to work there though and I need to call again to find this out.
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I phoned swiss immigration again and they said I should also be able to work. I think the best thing for people to do is to telephone the immigration office themselves and ask the questions they want answers to because every case is different. Before calling I thought I would have no chance of living in Switzerland or working in Switzerland but apparently it shouldnt be a problem as long as we can prove we have been together for a certain length of time and obviously we have a child together.
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Re: Visas / Unmarried couple with child

Leese Get yourself here, settled and take one step at a time. Also if you plan to be here long term, you should think about schooling. The international schools start I think taking pupils from 2.5 / 3 years onwards. Good to have this area covered by a partners contract if you can.
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Do you think it will make a difference to us though because we have a child together and obviously I dont want to be living with my child in England when his father, my partner is in Switzerland? it just seems crazy to me.
Hello,

This situation is surprise, surprise not uncommon. What is important is that you apply for your permit at the same time as your husband applies. Make it clear that you have a long term relationship with siblings and no intention of marriage. The Swiss authorities will then recognise your relationship and you will be given a dependent permit. Dependent on your partner that is.

Note you have a right to this it is not that they can refuse without good grounds, which of course they do not have. Alternatively, although I would not recommend this, you can wait till your husband is here and then he can independently apply for you to join him (familiennachzug). With this route though you have the full theatrics of your husband(common law) needing to prove and sign that he will support you and ensure that the accomodation is sufficiently big and a long wait...

Even more alternatively you can register your intention to marry with the authorities in which case you will be given a 6 month A permit and during this time you need to marry.

The choice is yours but the authorities are used to dealing with this case. The fact that you are EU citizens makes it all that much easier.
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I phoned swiss immigration again and they said I should also be able to work. I think the best thing for people to do is to telephone the immigration office themselves and ask the questions they want answers to because every case is different. Before calling I thought I would have no chance of living in Switzerland or working in Switzerland but apparently it shouldnt be a problem as long as we can prove we have been together for a certain length of time and obviously we have a child together.
Are you an EU citizen? You will have no problem.
You can work if you find someone to hire you!
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Unmarried & no kids but see the following.

This is quite interesting. I was going to move here with my girlfriend (she is EU) and spoke to the people (D&T) doing our residence permits, as the company I work for decided to relocate here. D&T said it would not be a problem provided one can demonstrate the means to support their partner.

I then spoke to our HR who did several flick-flacks and they said NO! We will not be seen to be smuggling people through Switzerland. They said that we have to demonstrate up to 5yrs of association with joint holiday pictures etc. They said it is almost impossible. Despite this, one of our employee's has brought his girlfriend across with no problem with the authorities. Alas my GF has decided not to come for now as her father is terribly sick but we'll review that later.

So careful as often company HR departments seem to go with here-say and clearly do not care how happy their employee's are. They are probably concerned that they may be required to to do something 'human'.

It may cost a little to get good advice but I suspect that if you want the truth, rely on D&T & their likes (I am not an employee of theirs but they seem to have given sound advice) and if that does not help, go see the authorities. I suspect if you can demonstrate means with which to support your partner they will not be unreasonable.
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